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steinberg a reminder ladies and

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gentlemen that starting July 11th from 9

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p.m. to midnight Central Time

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who will be part of the GSN radio

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network will be syndicated to radio

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stations in many cities in the USA

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but we will also be available online

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just as we are now from the power cast

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calm the only difference being that will

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start a little bit later in the evening

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so please stay awake for us actually

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something could be an hour later so stay

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awake for us Greg Bishop is our co-host

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a little bit later we'll be welcoming

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Walter Bosley back on but right now for

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those who haven't spent much time as we

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have with Greg I wanted to put his cards

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on the table so for example if you

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expect Paul Campbell says even though he

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is very interested in a lot of the other

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theories about UFOs he tends to be an

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ETH kind of guy Greg what kind of guy

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are you I tend to fight it well ok I

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mean I mean I tend to fight my eth fork

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liberties because that's been the way

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I've been like most people for most of

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the time I've been interested in the

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subject but after a while you realize

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that nobody's found anything that's

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really provable about anything coming

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from other planets so I'm probably less

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of an ETH or than Paul is I suppose it

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might be the best explanation but I

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seriously doubt whether it's the right

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one or the whole right one so for

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example maybe there's ETH but maybe one

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of these other explanations such as

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interdimensional time travelers or a

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crypto to rest Jules perhaps yeah well I

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don't I'm exceedingly agnostic I don't

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subscribe to anyone or the other the ETH

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just gets the most exposure because

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that's what's been pushed on us for Wow

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since probably the even before the 20th

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century actually but of course you know

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in the in the Space Age and in post

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World War two yeah that's been the only

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explanation anybody will really consider

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so you know my natural inclination is

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that there's a whole bunch of people

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doing something and believing something

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it makes me very suspicious so that's

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I'm sure that's part of it too so your

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case that's partly very your skeptic of

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people who tend to accept a conventional

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wisdom well I guess no I'm I'm I'm

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skeptical of I'm skeptical belief

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systems because once you get locked into

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a belief system your your your options

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tend to shut it down and when you're

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talking about something is weird is the

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UFO subject and is amorphous and as you

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know unanswered so far I have you lock

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yourself into a belief system you're

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already behind well that's my belief

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anyway and then people get irritated

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with the fence sitting and the all that

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it's like well what else you gonna do as

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soon as you put yourself in a camp your

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hands and say this is my belief you're

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gonna have to start supporting it then

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with the UFOs and the paranormal and a

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lot of things like that we talked about

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on the show you can't really there's

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there's no iron ironclad open-and-shut

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case for any of these things that they

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exist I think there is a pretty pretty

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solid case that there's something weird

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going on and that there is something

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that's not human that interacts with us

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occasionally I think the case is fairly

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solid for that but past that I don't

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know you don't want to be in a box well

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yeah because it'll close off my options

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it closes off my options for for

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learning and for listening and for

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meeting people it might have a different

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you know point of view I'm that's firm

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beliefs in other areas you know we like

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moral things and all that but not you

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know UFOs no I mean it why tie yourself

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down I think one of the things is that

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believing in ETA

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simple we know their other planets we

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know their other star systems so to

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posit some kind of advanced civilization

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it just seems to make sense because they

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can't possibly come from here right and

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then nowadays of course with our various

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probes Hubble telescope etc we see

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evidence that there are possible

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earth-like planets on other star systems

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we say hey okay so if their civilization

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is advanced to the right point they're

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coming here because we are important

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enough for space travelers to want to

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find out what we're like maybe I mean I

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don't I think we're probably just as

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important as any other group of sentient

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beings and if there are intelligences

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here in nuts-and-bolts craft traveling

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across space like we take a train or

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airplane somewhere I think they've gone

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beyond that and that those things are

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just ways that we you know the the fact

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that there's physical traces and all

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that maybe they've learned to just you

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know handle matter in a different way

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than we do or have a different concept

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of it I don't know but I don't think

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it's physical people coming in here and

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crafts from other other other planets

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because it's just according to our

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current ideas about things it's just it

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would just take too damn long so it must

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be in the realm of something that we

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haven't thought of yet or just beginning

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to think of and we can go into that too

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but that that that's a whole other

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subject so very briefly

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you don't think UFO research has gone

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anywhere because the prevailing belief

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is the same one that was here 60 years

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ago no I don't I think it's gone forward

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in certain areas but the but the belief

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system have it hasn't changed no and

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there's no real evidence for it except

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for our our beliefs and our hopes and

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our expectations I think yeah it might

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be a logical conclusion but it's a

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logical conclusion based on our

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civilization and our way of thinking and

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our view of the universe and our view of

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physics at present and that's going to

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change there's no doubt that it's going

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to change because it's changed in the

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past very much a moving target now yes a

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few weeks

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go your friend but sometimes co-host

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Walter Bosley appeared on the power cast

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and I think we may be scratched the

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surface just barely in asking him

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questions about the things he knows the

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things he's experienced so we've invited

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him back on you'll hear next on the bear

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we are joined by a Walter Bosley former

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government agent and he is not here by

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the way to find out what's happening

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with the power cast with me and Gregg

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where are you uh no no no that's not why

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I'm here okay answer questions right

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okay well discuss things interesting

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thing sure well you know you made a

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brief something more than a cameo

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appearance in our forums after your last

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appearance in deaf people ask questions

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and sometimes the people in the forums

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as you and I know those of us have been

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realize that sometimes people who visit

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you in the forums kind of feel they have

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the right to know everything so what is

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your story about that well you know

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regarding the forms I will start and say

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that you know I come out here and I tell

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you who I am and those who go in there

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and they don't you know provide a real

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name they just kind of make all their

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comments behind a screen name you know I

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kind of have to remind myself to really

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just dismiss those people in their

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comments because you know there's really

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nothing else you can do if they won't

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tell you who they are then their

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comments you know mean little so

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basically they won't tell you who they

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are but they want to know everything

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about you they want to see that you

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really work for the FBI they want to

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have all the papers from your government

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service they want to see your social

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security card and your birth certificate

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well we want that from Obama right yeah

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exactly but I'm just referring to those

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who don't identify themselves I mean

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there's guys out there that you know

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they're in the various forms and their

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name is right there you know they tell

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you who they are and and that you know

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to me that's step one if you're going to

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be publicly critical or discerning or

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questioning or whatever you want to call

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it to whatever degree it is you know

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it's like you know my name I want to

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know yours you know to me it's that's

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the fair the fair thing so you know

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anyone whose identity I don't really

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know or at least whose name I don't

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dismiss many arguments they make you

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know and go from there well you know

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what I'm a little bit different Walter

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and I don't totally agree the thing is

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that if you've put yourself at a public

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forum you have to be public I wrestled

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with this - very early on with UFO

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mystic and now with the pair Castform

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and a few others it's kind of you if

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you're gonna be public and you're gonna

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present your ideas yeah it's the onus is

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on you to kind of have your name out

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there if somebody's going to ask you

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questions civilized in a civilized way

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in an or in a nice logical way I don't

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really care whether they're anonymous or

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not but once they start getting nasty

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they should be not anonymous or they

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should shut up well there you go

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we actually agree because the way you

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qualified it I will add one thing yeah I

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put myself out there you put yourself

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out there various people do to discuss

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things but on the other hand if

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somebody's going to go into a forum

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which is also just as public then I

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going to get to a certain level of

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critical then they should identify

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themselves because you know hey that's

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just as public I'll put up with a lot

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from people as long as they're being as

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logical I don't really care that they

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I either shut it down or say you know

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then I pull the you know it's very easy

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for you to be the way you are because

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you're anonymous so that's this is the

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end of the conversation that's what I

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usually yeah it's it's and as I've said

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I I'm I am NOT one of these guys who

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fell in love with logic when I was in

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you know high school and it's just the

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thing that turns me on and I mean we

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know these people you can't have a human

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conversation with these kind of people

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the logic lovers you just can't because

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you could be talking about pizza and

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they're analyzing how you said what you

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said and what that meant according to

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the academic rules of logic and it just

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wow what an interesting boring way to go

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through life well there's another thing

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too I mean it's it's an attitude - I'm

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one of the other show like this one is I

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don't

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you know my attitude on my show is I'm

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gonna let the person say what they want

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to if I don't agree with them that's

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fine if I if I and I can prod them a

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little bit to make sure that they've got

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their stories straight and that even the

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audience realizes that I'm not buying it

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I suppose yeah however I'm you know I

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will let people say what they want to

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say if there's gonna be a there's gonna

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be some kind of pitch or some kind of

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you know you got to give me money for

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this for this idea or I'm coming from a

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position of authority so buy my book or

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whatever then I strike you a little

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suspicious sure yeah and and rightly so

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because you know they're they're trying

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to push something on people they're

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trying to sell something specific to

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what they're talking about you know so

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you should be you know a little bit more

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but and again folks we're talking about

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the hypercritical okay we're talking

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about those who no matter what you say

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it's never gonna be enough my question

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is you know the question that comes to

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my mind is either why are you here are

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you really interested in these subjects

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and is there anything about these these

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the topic of the paranormal in general

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and I throw in UFOs there that you do

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buy into that you do think is is

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possible as such because it's kind of

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like if you hate soccer but you keep

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going to soccer games you know after a

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while you got a someone you got to ask

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yourself okay what am I doing here I

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hate this sport I hate this game why do

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I keep coming it you know that that's

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something that the you know comes to my

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mind when I encounter the hypercritical

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the okay now there's another thing to

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hear ya say you're one guy one gal or a

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few people and you see something strange

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and I have an editorial about this in

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the current issue of the para cast

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newsletter so if you go to the parent

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cast com there is a place for you can

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subscribe to the newsletter and you get

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my commentaries so I don't always do

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commentaries on the show I write off a

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commentary every single week and one of

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the things I pointed out is the fact

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that you know

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you have a paranormal experience of

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whatever kind it's very difficult to

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prove it unless you have the camera and

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you take a picture and people will look

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at it and say the pictures are fake yeah

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okay so because you could Photoshop

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anything nowadays or create fake

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pictures and a lot of times if you see

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something you're so nervous when you see

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it that you don't have the time to focus

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the camera and press the zoom button and

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get a good picture it's luck you get

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something in the camera okay so that's

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one thing and then well if it doesn't

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leave any other evidence like a UFO may

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land and leave trace evidence but

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usually you see something in the sky and

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you see an apparition well folks it's

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not something that you could just repeat

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it's there it may never come back so how

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do you prove it what's the next stage do

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you try the lie detector test you know

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you know is that gonna help maybe we'll

370
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have a lie detector test

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so therefore we'll have to see whether

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we could try with a lie detector test

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and where's a problem with lie detector

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test you're not always reliable

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sometimes people think the test without

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saying things I really shouldn't in a

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public forum

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experience with a lot I'll just say this

379
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folks there is no such thing and never

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has been such thing as a true lie

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detector that's impossible and I'll

382
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leave it at that

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because you bring up a very good point

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the polygraph there's a reason why

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polygraph results are not submitted in a

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court of law they've been around for

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decades and that's because there are

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issues with its you know but but it

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serves a true and valid purpose in

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investigative issues criminal

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investigative issues and I'm all for the

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use of them but it's its effectiveness

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is not where people think it is okay so

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since you raised the question where is

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the effectiveness that's a psychological

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factor where somebody says gee I better

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tell the truth because it's a

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lie-detector I'm not saying you know I

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mean I was a I'm not gonna I'm not like

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the TV shows that want to show all the

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secrets that you know law enforcement

402
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uses because some things you know some

403
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things they work best if the general

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public doesn't know them and so

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you know are you talking you're not

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supposed to eat because you don't feel

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like it it wouldn't be ethical of me

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okay I just wanted a reason I think it

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might have something to do actually with

410
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the techniques that are used when you

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have a lie detector they're the kind of

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questions that are asked and the kind of

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people that are there and the kind of

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people that are in the situation in

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which it is applied well we're not

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asking you the secrets of the trade

417
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we're just more or less talking about

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why they'd be effective as one of the

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secrets of the trick it's why it's

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effective then we are in a big circle

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here anybody listening could probably

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look up some of these answers online and

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get get some of the answers probably so

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and as I've said on your show and others

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a guy in my position there's things I

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cannot say that you know you can you can

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find in open sources but if I say it I

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feel the flame on my backside so uh like

429
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Daniel she and the lawyer once said the

430
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things that you can find in open sources

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are sometimes more frightening and

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surprising than most people would expect

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oh I definitely can agree with that I

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definitely could agree with that you

435
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just have to look you know Walter knows

436
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this and Jean knows this and probably

437
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most the listeners and some of the gut

438
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guests know this is that once you start

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digging and looking around and going to

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libraries not just on the internet but

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going to libraries and talking to people

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you start finding that right not so

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amazed by what people found out in their

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last book and reported to you or

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whatever right well you know since we're

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on the issue of the investigative

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techniques and a paranormal here here's

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what I have discovered and I am

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discovering is that these investigative

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techniques that we want to apply to

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these phenomena I'm learning are just

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not they're not measuring up because

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we're dealing with something that I

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think is sentient it it's aware it you

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know this is Anna we're being entity and

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it has the advantage of being able to

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manifest extraordinary ways and

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you thinking basically here of the

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overall phenomenon being an entity or

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each individual experience in terms of

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seeing creatures or whatever it depends

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on the experience one experience to the

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others is different there's a UFO

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experience there is seeing a ghost there

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seeing a you know a Bigfoot there's you

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know some of the encounters I've had in

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my particular case my my experiences you

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know I I think that you know you're

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dealing with you know something sentient

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so what it knows how to do is evade

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investigative measurement

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I mean how perfect how perfect to take a

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guy like me who's been a federal

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criminal investigator in

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counterintelligence and manifest itself

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in a way that I can either capture

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evidence that to convince that would

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really convince people or even you know

479
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any evidence you know be able to prove

480
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it you know even in a discussion I think

481
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it's more like measuring wind without a

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wind meter you just don't have the the

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either don't have the tool or the tool

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has not been invented yet that will

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measure these things or or be that when

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something is is going to happen or

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whatever I mean it's it's just it's just

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designed not to be examined with the

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tools that we have a lot of these

490
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paranormal things ghost hunting maybe a

491
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little bit more you've got some chance

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there but once again you can't predict

493
00:20:20,629 --> 00:20:18,869
it you can't reproduce it it's basically

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you have to be there when it happens

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what I'm arguing is that the minute you

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design the meter that can measure it

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guess what ifs itself in the way that

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none of the the meters will measure it

499
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and that I understand to think that

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that's probably what would happen yeah I

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used to not think things like this I

502
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used to think no no now come on there's

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got to be a with technology and science

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by golly there it can be measured and

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the more experiences I've had the more

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I've changed that position maybe it's

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like this quantum mechanics kind of

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thing that if you measure it or see it

509
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that in and of itself changes it yeah

510
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very much so it might exactly for

511
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instance I see something on the side of

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Mountain I take a photograph of it okay

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and then when you're looking at the

514
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photograph it just doesn't look the same

515
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or you show it to someone else and

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they're saying I don't see it I don't

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00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:22,050
see it you know so so maybe you outline

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it you show them a photograph untouched

519
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then you show them you know the one with

520
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the outline and then the filter of their

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prejudice comes in and very often you

522
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hear things like well I don't see that

523
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and and so then where are you left you

524
00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:39,480
know what do you do there's and there's

525
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never a shortage of people that will say

526
00:21:45,620 --> 00:21:43,770
well you imagined it or well this is

527
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like this

528
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the psychological what's the word for it

529
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I don't want to say disorder I don't

530
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:51,720
want to say guru SACEUR anything it's

531
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it's phenomenon yeah psychological

532
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phenomenon and when you look closely at

533
00:22:01,310 --> 00:21:59,580
the definition of those psychological

534
00:22:04,100 --> 00:22:01,320
phenomena that supposedly explain these

535
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:04,110
experiences really when you really get

536
00:22:08,170 --> 00:22:06,450
down to it what you're seeing is as

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00:22:11,090 --> 00:22:08,180
someone a psycho

538
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:11,100
someone in the the profession of

539
00:22:18,830 --> 00:22:14,690
psychiatry has taken something and just

540
00:22:20,930 --> 00:22:18,840
given it labels essentially not in all

541
00:22:23,270 --> 00:22:20,940
cases do you find things where they were

542
00:22:25,580 --> 00:22:23,280
able to duplicate this in the laboratory

543
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:25,590
they just they're really making an

544
00:22:30,050 --> 00:22:27,330
assumption that

545
00:22:32,300 --> 00:22:30,060
okay well this experience must be this

546
00:22:34,010 --> 00:22:32,310
and we're going to label it as such well

547
00:22:36,740 --> 00:22:34,020
now that we've got a nice neat and tidy

548
00:22:39,860 --> 00:22:36,750
label everybody can dismiss this

549
00:22:42,380 --> 00:22:39,870
experience because psychology has given

550
00:22:44,450 --> 00:22:42,390
it a label and there's a lot of people

551
00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:44,460
we live we live in the times and we live

552
00:22:50,690 --> 00:22:46,320
in a society a civilization right now

553
00:22:52,940 --> 00:22:50,700
where the specialist is King I mean you

554
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:52,950
got somebody with a pedigree after their

555
00:22:57,500 --> 00:22:55,890
name and you know they can use their

556
00:23:01,490 --> 00:22:57,510
logic to prove the earth is square

557
00:23:04,610 --> 00:23:01,500
because their phd XYZ blah blah blah and

558
00:23:06,890 --> 00:23:04,620
we got a lot of people who they accept

559
00:23:10,430 --> 00:23:06,900
that they say well okay this is this is

560
00:23:14,300 --> 00:23:10,440
the guy he's the expert I think that

561
00:23:15,930 --> 00:23:14,310
there's error in going too far in that

562
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:15,940
direction

563
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:23,890
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564
00:23:28,350 --> 00:23:26,050
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565
00:23:31,470 --> 00:23:28,360
client or colleague trying to explain

566
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:31,480
something visual a PowerPoint a keynote

567
00:23:36,360 --> 00:23:33,730
presentation a website but it's

568
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:36,370
frustrating because they can't see what

569
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:37,360
you're talking about

570
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571
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573
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574
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581
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30-day trial hi this is Don Ecker and

582
00:24:16,410 --> 00:24:14,500
you are tuned into the para cast let me

583
00:24:19,140 --> 00:24:16,420
tell you what you're gonna hear stuff

584
00:24:22,100 --> 00:24:19,150
here that you probably won't hear

585
00:24:25,500 --> 00:24:22,110
anywhere else

586
00:24:27,780 --> 00:24:25,510
we have Walter Bosley joining us our

587
00:24:29,550 --> 00:24:27,790
co-host is Greg Bishop and we're talking

588
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:29,560
I guess to start about investigative

589
00:24:33,420 --> 00:24:31,600
techniques about belief systems what you

590
00:24:35,970 --> 00:24:33,430
should believe what maybe you shouldn't

591
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:35,980
about the value I guess also of

592
00:24:39,570 --> 00:24:38,170
eyewitness testimony because we've

593
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:39,580
talked about the fact that Walter has

594
00:24:43,500 --> 00:24:41,650
had experiences and then sometimes

595
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:43,510
people will be skeptical and we're not

596
00:24:47,940 --> 00:24:45,010
asking you to believe everything that a

597
00:24:50,220 --> 00:24:47,950
person claims the experience but you get

598
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:50,230
back to the core statement of the core

599
00:24:53,790 --> 00:24:52,240
reality which is you have to depend on

600
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:53,800
someone's word from any of these things

601
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:55,570
because otherwise there's nothing to

602
00:25:00,000 --> 00:24:56,170
investigate

603
00:25:02,460 --> 00:25:00,010
because what 95 98 percent of all the

604
00:25:05,700 --> 00:25:02,470
experiences that we report paranormal

605
00:25:07,140 --> 00:25:05,710
experiences it's all I witness testimony

606
00:25:09,090 --> 00:25:07,150
you know what this reminds me of

607
00:25:12,150 --> 00:25:09,100
remember when Paul was on with us the

608
00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:12,160
other day Walter on my show and he said

609
00:25:15,330 --> 00:25:13,840
when he was working and he might have

610
00:25:17,490 --> 00:25:15,340
said this in the pear cast they were

611
00:25:19,620 --> 00:25:17,500
working in England and two of the him

612
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:19,630
and the co-hosts and maybe another

613
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:21,850
person heard horses hooves on a

614
00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:23,650
cobblestone street there's no

615
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:25,120
cobblestone street where they were doing

616
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:28,210
their filming but they did not record it

617
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:31,330
the recorder was going at the same time

618
00:25:36,540 --> 00:25:33,760
and it did not show up on any of their

619
00:25:39,810 --> 00:25:36,550
recordings yet both to independent

620
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:39,820
people heard what they heard was yeah um

621
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:42,250
Kabul stuff courses homes on cobblestone

622
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:44,770
it was Holly yeah I believe it was Holly

623
00:25:48,780 --> 00:25:46,960
who was yeah well L heard it too but

624
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:48,790
then he had didn't admit it to let her

625
00:25:52,830 --> 00:25:51,250
know what this brings up is okay you've

626
00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:52,840
got you've got two people that have

627
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:54,370
independently verified something without

628
00:25:59,250 --> 00:25:57,010
talking to each other first but your

629
00:26:02,280 --> 00:25:59,260
instrument your recorder I'll pick it up

630
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:02,290
so where is it did it happen you know is

631
00:26:06,420 --> 00:26:04,930
that the right question yeah and there

632
00:26:08,370 --> 00:26:06,430
and there and I'm telling you there are

633
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:08,380
a lot of people out there that they're

634
00:26:12,150 --> 00:26:10,240
just going to say it didn't happen this

635
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:12,160
is ridiculous if you couldn't record it

636
00:26:15,630 --> 00:26:14,080
then you were imagining it it didn't

637
00:26:17,010 --> 00:26:15,640
happen and and that's it the end of

638
00:26:19,470 --> 00:26:17,020
story for them you know and and

639
00:26:21,630 --> 00:26:19,480
personally as an as someone who is an

640
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:21,640
experienced or of things to use a word

641
00:26:28,470 --> 00:26:26,530
that I've heard I really have I'm not

642
00:26:31,380 --> 00:26:28,480
interested in trying to convince the

643
00:26:33,870 --> 00:26:31,390
naysayer that it's a waste of time it's

644
00:26:36,060 --> 00:26:33,880
a waste of my energy it they're just

645
00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:36,070
predisposed to think about something

646
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:37,840
differently than me I'm not interested

647
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:41,200
I'm just really not it's a waste of

648
00:26:46,140 --> 00:26:43,690
energy and time I have found to try to

649
00:26:48,180 --> 00:26:46,150
convince the naysayer well the best you

650
00:26:50,670 --> 00:26:48,190
can do I think is just tell people what

651
00:26:53,550 --> 00:26:50,680
happened the evidence that leads you to

652
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:53,560
believe one thing or another if there is

653
00:26:56,820 --> 00:26:55,450
any evidence and then you're gonna have

654
00:26:58,920 --> 00:26:56,830
to either take it or leave it based on

655
00:27:00,570 --> 00:26:58,930
the individual of that individual that's

656
00:27:03,300 --> 00:27:00,580
not happy reputation for making up

657
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:03,310
stories you kind of have to at least

658
00:27:05,580 --> 00:27:05,050
take them seriously otherwise where do

659
00:27:07,890 --> 00:27:05,590
you go with it

660
00:27:10,380 --> 00:27:07,900
otherwise everybody's a liar what this

661
00:27:12,990 --> 00:27:10,390
reminded me of was the show the other

662
00:27:14,730 --> 00:27:13,000
day with Paul Kimball on radio

663
00:27:15,990 --> 00:27:14,740
mysterioso Walter was there we were all

664
00:27:18,650 --> 00:27:16,000
there in person and Paul was talking

665
00:27:20,700 --> 00:27:18,660
about ghost cases when you talk about

666
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:20,710
instruments and measurements and all

667
00:27:26,130 --> 00:27:23,200
that he and his co-host Holly Stevens

668
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:26,140
both independently heard horse hooves on

669
00:27:29,670 --> 00:27:27,850
cobblestone at this old church where

670
00:27:31,470 --> 00:27:29,680
there are no cobblestones anymore it's

671
00:27:34,020 --> 00:27:31,480
an old house or something like that it's

672
00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:34,030
one of the reported phenomena at that

673
00:27:37,770 --> 00:27:36,130
location they'd heard it separately

674
00:27:39,870 --> 00:27:37,780
didn't talk about it and then Holly was

675
00:27:42,090 --> 00:27:39,880
talking to one of the crew people or the

676
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:42,100
producer and how it freaked her out and

677
00:27:44,620 --> 00:27:42,530
Paul

678
00:27:46,330 --> 00:27:44,630
I heard that too and I don't think

679
00:27:48,130 --> 00:27:46,340
anybody else had heard it and the

680
00:27:50,110 --> 00:27:48,140
recorder was going apparently at the

681
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:50,120
time that these horse hooves were

682
00:27:53,770 --> 00:27:51,530
running around on the cobblestones

683
00:27:55,390 --> 00:27:53,780
outside so what does that tell you was

684
00:27:57,850 --> 00:27:55,400
that mean your instrument didn't pick it

685
00:27:59,200 --> 00:27:57,860
up so it was a hallucination I think we

686
00:28:01,990 --> 00:27:59,210
got to change our language a little bit

687
00:28:03,670 --> 00:28:02,000
in some cases well of course there's a

688
00:28:06,100 --> 00:28:03,680
lot of things going on around us that we

689
00:28:08,110 --> 00:28:06,110
do not see we do not hear the reverse

690
00:28:09,850 --> 00:28:08,120
because our senses are very limited

691
00:28:12,780 --> 00:28:09,860
yeah but an instrument will pick it up

692
00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:12,790
well physical if the instrument is

693
00:28:19,260 --> 00:28:16,130
physically sensitive to that whatever it

694
00:28:22,180 --> 00:28:19,270
is yes exactly but yeah but you know

695
00:28:26,010 --> 00:28:22,190
were what are we dealing with when two

696
00:28:29,140 --> 00:28:26,020
people clearly hear a noise for a

697
00:28:30,250 --> 00:28:29,150
certain period of time it's not a you

698
00:28:32,050 --> 00:28:30,260
know it's not something they thought

699
00:28:34,900 --> 00:28:32,060
they heard not something they were

700
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:34,910
mistaken about but they swear they heard

701
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:36,410
it and then two of them independently

702
00:28:40,660 --> 00:28:38,450
without talking to each other first say

703
00:28:42,370 --> 00:28:40,670
they heard it but nobody else did really

704
00:28:44,410 --> 00:28:42,380
and it wasn't picked up on a recording

705
00:28:46,900 --> 00:28:44,420
so where does that leave you does that

706
00:28:49,930 --> 00:28:46,910
mean that the experiences is a

707
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:49,940
hallucination or wrong or false I don't

708
00:28:54,940 --> 00:28:51,890
think so and I think probably well Troy

709
00:28:57,610 --> 00:28:54,950
and Cree with that oh when you have two

710
00:29:00,700 --> 00:28:57,620
people who independently experience the

711
00:29:03,010 --> 00:29:00,710
same audio phenomenon one of whom is you

712
00:29:04,810 --> 00:29:03,020
know is Paul you know he questions

713
00:29:07,060 --> 00:29:04,820
things and you know he's not somebody

714
00:29:11,950 --> 00:29:07,070
that's a pushover for stuff and he heard

715
00:29:14,410 --> 00:29:11,960
it too you know that right there is some

716
00:29:17,290 --> 00:29:14,420
pretty hefty evidence so to speak could

717
00:29:19,690 --> 00:29:17,300
we're gonna call it that so you know

718
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:19,700
exactly what do you do with experiences

719
00:29:24,580 --> 00:29:22,850
like that you know who's to say who can

720
00:29:27,550 --> 00:29:24,590
just write that off and dismiss it

721
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:27,560
well obviously trying to figure out

722
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:29,930
what's going on into an unearth what's

723
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:33,410
going on is gonna be one super royal

724
00:29:36,550 --> 00:29:35,090
pain I think that's one of the things we

725
00:29:38,950 --> 00:29:36,560
understand but I think that's kind of

726
00:29:42,610 --> 00:29:38,960
preamble showing the difficulty of

727
00:29:45,820 --> 00:29:42,620
measuring the things that we see or hear

728
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:45,830
of the fact that you may see something

729
00:29:51,940 --> 00:29:47,930
or hear something that nobody else sees

730
00:29:53,650 --> 00:29:51,950
or be just one person we have one person

731
00:29:56,150 --> 00:29:53,660
you sit there you see a ghost you see

732
00:29:58,850 --> 00:29:56,160
the greys you're taking the board

733
00:30:01,520 --> 00:29:58,860
spaceship it's your memory of what

734
00:30:01,940 --> 00:30:01,530
happens how do you prove it what do you

735
00:30:04,220 --> 00:30:01,950
do

736
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:04,230
let's move more I think it would be a

737
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:07,440
good idea now to go back walter into

738
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:10,250
some of your experiences and your

739
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:12,930
remembrances of your father for example

740
00:30:16,910 --> 00:30:14,490
because of some of the things he told

741
00:30:19,250 --> 00:30:16,920
you and let's explore them with the

742
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:19,260
understanding that ladies and gentlemen

743
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:21,450
you know i don't know how we can prove

744
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:23,490
this to you you know we're gonna have to

745
00:30:29,930 --> 00:30:26,490
accept that walter does have government

746
00:30:31,850 --> 00:30:29,940
experience greg has certainly seen the

747
00:30:34,940 --> 00:30:31,860
papers and independently confirmed where

748
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:34,950
he can that you are Walter Bosley who

749
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:36,720
you say are now let's look at the

750
00:30:43,970 --> 00:30:40,410
experiences going back to your dad and

751
00:30:45,470 --> 00:30:43,980
Roswell and as I recall here you were

752
00:30:47,780 --> 00:30:45,480
given this knowledge over a period of

753
00:30:50,060 --> 00:30:47,790
years not something he told you in one

754
00:30:54,590 --> 00:30:50,070
sitting hey son let me tell you about

755
00:30:59,600 --> 00:30:54,600
this right right exactly it started in

756
00:31:04,300 --> 00:30:59,610
the late 70s talking about you know this

757
00:31:08,090 --> 00:31:04,310
this crash at Roswell New Mexico and

758
00:31:10,190 --> 00:31:08,100
continued on up into recent years and of

759
00:31:14,150 --> 00:31:10,200
course after I had been an agent for a

760
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:14,160
while and I was became a little more

761
00:31:21,020 --> 00:31:19,200
well-versed in interview techniques you

762
00:31:26,540 --> 00:31:21,030
know I knew how to talk to him about it

763
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:26,550
to both measure his integrity to the

764
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:28,770
degree that you know the investigative

765
00:31:36,530 --> 00:31:30,930
tools I have work and they are effective

766
00:31:41,830 --> 00:31:36,540
to a degree and also to you know kind of

767
00:31:45,140 --> 00:31:41,840
coax him to tell me more and his story

768
00:31:47,590 --> 00:31:45,150
never you know his story about the

769
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:47,600
bodies that were found never changed his

770
00:31:53,950 --> 00:31:51,120
frustration that the insistence that it

771
00:31:59,570 --> 00:31:53,960
was the extra-terrestrial hypothesis

772
00:32:02,420 --> 00:31:59,580
that never changed and yeah you know it

773
00:32:05,450 --> 00:32:02,430
stayed consistent yes I got a little bit

774
00:32:08,750 --> 00:32:05,460
more out of him in in recent years but

775
00:32:14,450 --> 00:32:08,760
always consistent with the

776
00:32:17,690 --> 00:32:14,460
story and consistent with other things

777
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:17,700
that I had learned you know about the

778
00:32:23,270 --> 00:32:19,890
same situation through through other

779
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:23,280
means and he said that these were not

780
00:32:28,909 --> 00:32:26,250
extraterrestrials they were people from

781
00:32:30,140 --> 00:32:28,919
here this planet and you know as I've

782
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:30,150
written about it if you want to go to

783
00:32:35,780 --> 00:32:33,290
the April 2005 issue of fate magazine

784
00:32:38,390 --> 00:32:35,790
the article is in there under my

785
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:38,400
pseudonym because at the time yeah I had

786
00:32:41,539 --> 00:32:39,600
employment that was somewhat

787
00:32:43,850 --> 00:32:41,549
professionally sensitive so I did not

788
00:32:45,500 --> 00:32:43,860
put that article in there under my name

789
00:32:47,169 --> 00:32:45,510
Walter Bosley it's under a fiction

790
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:47,179
pseudonym II a guest

791
00:32:54,530 --> 00:32:50,010
since then I have said yeah that's me

792
00:32:58,010 --> 00:32:54,540
and that was my dad and according to him

793
00:33:00,669 --> 00:32:58,020
you know these people went underground

794
00:33:03,380 --> 00:33:00,679
a long time ago there had been a

795
00:33:06,530 --> 00:33:03,390
cataclysmic event on the surface of the

796
00:33:08,750 --> 00:33:06,540
planet and a bunch of people went

797
00:33:11,690 --> 00:33:08,760
underground and several of them stayed

798
00:33:14,140 --> 00:33:11,700
there a big number of them stayed there

799
00:33:17,780 --> 00:33:14,150
and you know developed their own

800
00:33:22,159 --> 00:33:17,790
civilization as it were parallel yet

801
00:33:23,870 --> 00:33:22,169
hidden to our own and according to him

802
00:33:24,919 --> 00:33:23,880
they really didn't want much to do with

803
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:24,929
us at all

804
00:33:28,430 --> 00:33:26,850
the only reason he had interaction with

805
00:33:32,690 --> 00:33:28,440
them was because in the late 50s a

806
00:33:34,700 --> 00:33:32,700
Roswell situation happened again and he

807
00:33:37,940 --> 00:33:34,710
was in there yes let me just stop right

808
00:33:40,970 --> 00:33:37,950
there a Roswell situation happened again

809
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:40,980
we're in eastern Arizona okay we're in

810
00:33:45,740 --> 00:33:43,290
eastern Arizona specifically in the

811
00:33:48,770 --> 00:33:45,750
vicinity of Winslow it sounds like the

812
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:48,780
movie star man well star man the movie

813
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:51,600
star man sounds like this event that I

814
00:33:57,460 --> 00:33:53,850
heard about before star man okay tell us

815
00:34:01,310 --> 00:33:57,470
about the event that okay um a craft

816
00:34:05,919 --> 00:34:01,320
from underneath according to my dad out

817
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:05,929
on the surface crashes and the pilot is

818
00:34:11,389 --> 00:34:08,639
missing iLook crew whatever are missing

819
00:34:13,310 --> 00:34:11,399
and these people come to through

820
00:34:15,919 --> 00:34:13,320
whatever liaison they have however they

821
00:34:18,290 --> 00:34:15,929
did it they came to you know our people

822
00:34:20,250 --> 00:34:18,300
our military presumably the Air Force

823
00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:20,260
because this is a late 50s

824
00:34:23,340 --> 00:34:22,480
and said hey we need some help finding

825
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:23,350
our guy

826
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:28,210
so again according to my father a the

827
00:34:34,430 --> 00:34:31,570
effort a mission was put together led by

828
00:34:38,970 --> 00:34:34,440
an interesting gentleman known as Wilson

829
00:34:42,419 --> 00:34:38,980
who who headed up the search and rescue

830
00:34:45,210 --> 00:34:42,429
so to speak plus the interaction with

831
00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:45,220
the people under the ground according to

832
00:34:49,859 --> 00:34:48,159
my dad and that's why he had to be

833
00:34:51,570 --> 00:34:49,869
briefed in on Roswell because he was

834
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:51,580
because of his clearance and what he did

835
00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:55,570
he was one of many who was part of this

836
00:34:58,920 --> 00:34:58,240
effort and had to be briefed in on

837
00:35:00,720 --> 00:34:58,930
Roswell

838
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:00,730
because it was pretty much a very

839
00:35:09,150 --> 00:35:04,570
similar if not same situation and from

840
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:09,160
there he went to Arizona and worked in

841
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:12,240
this effort to find this guy and this

842
00:35:20,130 --> 00:35:15,970
missing individual from the crash craft

843
00:35:21,420 --> 00:35:20,140
and be involved with the interaction and

844
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:21,430
he saw the underground and he

845
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:22,720
encountered these people underneath

846
00:35:31,980 --> 00:35:27,280
there according to him and I have reason

847
00:35:33,780 --> 00:35:31,990
to think that he sincerely believed he

848
00:35:35,730 --> 00:35:33,790
was telling me the truth he used to

849
00:35:37,950 --> 00:35:35,740
break down emotionally when he got to

850
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:37,960
the point of the story where the guy he

851
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:40,000
was working with was killed by one of

852
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:43,330
these people so you know that's just one

853
00:35:47,220 --> 00:35:45,520
indicator well certainly he wouldn't

854
00:35:48,750 --> 00:35:47,230
just make it up just for the sake of his

855
00:35:50,730 --> 00:35:48,760
son that he know at the time that you

856
00:35:53,490 --> 00:35:50,740
were interested in the subject well what

857
00:35:56,370 --> 00:35:53,500
happened was it it started because see I

858
00:36:00,120 --> 00:35:56,380
grew up my sisters and I we grew up with

859
00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:00,130
our dad's interest in in this UFO topic

860
00:36:05,490 --> 00:36:03,609
I mean you you you remember the old look

861
00:36:07,470 --> 00:36:05,500
magazine and Life magazine articles

862
00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:07,480
during the 60s that you know the late

863
00:36:11,820 --> 00:36:09,609
50s early 60s going through the 60s that

864
00:36:13,590 --> 00:36:11,830
a lot of people have now as collectors

865
00:36:15,420 --> 00:36:13,600
items I mean we we still have these

866
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:15,430
things and these were all always around

867
00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:17,440
the house this was the late 60s and you

868
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:19,119
know we'd look at him and you know my

869
00:36:24,990 --> 00:36:21,520
dad would was enthused about this when

870
00:36:28,890 --> 00:36:25,000
the subject came up and in the late 70s

871
00:36:30,359 --> 00:36:28,900
I remember it was there was there had

872
00:36:32,130 --> 00:36:30,369
been a TV show on and it was right

873
00:36:33,250 --> 00:36:32,140
before Close Encounters came up before

874
00:36:36,490 --> 00:36:33,260
closing

875
00:36:40,300 --> 00:36:36,500
come on and this is when he first

876
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:40,310
started talking about this and you know

877
00:36:44,950 --> 00:36:41,770
some people say well

878
00:36:47,770 --> 00:36:44,960
Starman you know well close encounters I

879
00:36:48,970 --> 00:36:47,780
find it interesting that you know he

880
00:36:53,590 --> 00:36:48,980
insisted that these were not

881
00:36:56,050 --> 00:36:53,600
extraterrestrials if he were just you

882
00:36:59,830 --> 00:36:56,060
know jumping on something to impress the

883
00:37:02,170 --> 00:36:59,840
kiddies you know why not say well yep

884
00:37:06,430 --> 00:37:02,180
absolutely these ETS are real now I know

885
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:06,440
he um he was it used to amuse him and

886
00:37:11,050 --> 00:37:08,960
frustrate him both to things that the

887
00:37:13,150 --> 00:37:11,060
the insistence that it was et excuse me

888
00:37:14,980 --> 00:37:13,160
the the assumption the presumption which

889
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:14,990
many of us now like to call the et

890
00:37:22,990 --> 00:37:20,720
religion and the fact that it was being

891
00:37:27,850 --> 00:37:23,000
kept secret because you know it would

892
00:37:29,980 --> 00:37:27,860
freak people out and and you know he he

893
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:29,990
always said this is something they want

894
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:31,490
nothing to do with us this is something

895
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:32,810
that you know think about your daily

896
00:37:37,690 --> 00:37:35,690
life that if there's a civilization

897
00:37:40,030 --> 00:37:37,700
inside you know underneath the surface

898
00:37:41,530 --> 00:37:40,040
of the planet if there is in subterranea

899
00:37:44,410 --> 00:37:41,540
how does that change

900
00:37:45,700 --> 00:37:44,420
most people's daily existence it really

901
00:37:48,610 --> 00:37:45,710
does not

902
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:48,620
well maybe the perception that other

903
00:37:56,170 --> 00:37:51,370
intelligent race here can have

904
00:37:57,730 --> 00:37:56,180
catastrophic impact on certain people

905
00:37:58,530 --> 00:37:57,740
who like to think they're in control of

906
00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:58,540
things

907
00:38:02,650 --> 00:38:01,040
well yeah but you know then you're

908
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:02,660
getting into people who like to think

909
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:04,640
they're in control of things or have a

910
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:06,890
drug or is it more the people who have a

911
00:38:12,670 --> 00:38:10,610
driving need to feel in control of

912
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:12,680
things yes you're always exactly you're

913
00:38:17,170 --> 00:38:13,760
always gonna have people that are gonna

914
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:17,180
be bothered by something you know you

915
00:38:20,620 --> 00:38:18,890
could you could say that there are

916
00:38:23,020 --> 00:38:20,630
people there that are plenty bothered by

917
00:38:25,900 --> 00:38:23,030
some of us having the experiences we

918
00:38:27,370 --> 00:38:25,910
talk about you know so there's an

919
00:38:28,750 --> 00:38:27,380
example you know possibly of what you're

920
00:38:30,190 --> 00:38:28,760
talking about that's like hey wait a

921
00:38:32,770 --> 00:38:30,200
minute if I'm not having it it's not

922
00:38:36,610 --> 00:38:32,780
real or if I'm how come you're having it

923
00:38:40,210 --> 00:38:36,620
not me or you know any number of things

924
00:38:41,260 --> 00:38:40,220
but his thing was that it they were not

925
00:38:43,570 --> 00:38:41,270
extraterrestrials

926
00:38:46,030 --> 00:38:43,580
he felt okay but let's look at this in

927
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:46,040
more detail okay the

928
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:48,530
describe the creature does that creature

929
00:38:53,860 --> 00:38:51,440
pass for human he walks among us you see

930
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:53,870
him at the local Dunkin Donuts yeah you

931
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:56,690
just passing by oh okay yeah his

932
00:39:01,570 --> 00:38:58,880
description was they were just like us

933
00:39:03,490 --> 00:39:01,580
but with the less body hair you know

934
00:39:06,970 --> 00:39:03,500
little little to no body hair was the

935
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:06,980
the description you know he gave me okay

936
00:39:15,220 --> 00:39:12,050
but therefore bald-headed yeah okay and

937
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:15,230
as far as limbs fingers anything else

938
00:39:20,410 --> 00:39:18,890
looks normal eyes a little smell yeah

939
00:39:23,110 --> 00:39:20,420
look normal

940
00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:23,120
he just said little to no body hair okay

941
00:39:29,830 --> 00:39:27,920
looks like us all right now did he learn

942
00:39:33,820 --> 00:39:29,840
anything more about our interaction with

943
00:39:38,770 --> 00:39:33,830
these beings they well when when he was

944
00:39:41,650 --> 00:39:38,780
part of the project he was underground

945
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:41,660
he was part of the they were all part of

946
00:39:46,660 --> 00:39:44,570
the the overall search effort but then

947
00:39:48,700 --> 00:39:46,670
they were you know they were interacting

948
00:39:51,370 --> 00:39:48,710
because they were underground and these

949
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:51,380
people were there and he didn't give me

950
00:39:56,260 --> 00:39:54,320
the details of this little what

951
00:39:57,580 --> 00:39:56,270
specifically they were doing that day

952
00:39:59,260 --> 00:39:57,590
that the man got killed

953
00:40:02,590 --> 00:39:59,270
just that they were underneath the

954
00:40:04,660 --> 00:40:02,600
ground and it had to do with there was

955
00:40:08,410 --> 00:40:04,670
some what's interesting is there was

956
00:40:12,220 --> 00:40:08,420
some technology exchange going on and it

957
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:12,230
was from us to them there was some small

958
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:16,160
little aircraft that we had designed and

959
00:40:21,370 --> 00:40:19,610
we were training of them in using it it

960
00:40:23,590 --> 00:40:21,380
could be it could be used underground

961
00:40:26,830 --> 00:40:23,600
according to him okay okay wait a minute

962
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:26,840
here so it's not the aliens were the

963
00:40:31,540 --> 00:40:29,450
crypto terrestrials in this case having

964
00:40:35,860 --> 00:40:31,550
greater technology than us it's us

965
00:40:37,660 --> 00:40:35,870
giving them technology no gene they did

966
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:37,670
have the tech they did have technology

967
00:40:41,830 --> 00:40:39,680
with their flying machines but all I can

968
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:41,840
tell you is what my dad told me okay

969
00:40:47,050 --> 00:40:43,280
sure well that's what I want understand

970
00:40:49,930 --> 00:40:47,060
and and what he told me was there was a

971
00:40:54,430 --> 00:40:49,940
flying machine that we were also going

972
00:40:56,740 --> 00:40:54,440
to share with them now you know I I

973
00:40:58,780 --> 00:40:56,750
can't explain the politics or the

974
00:40:59,530 --> 00:40:58,790
where's our wise of if they have these

975
00:41:03,850 --> 00:40:59,540
you know

976
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:03,860
they would want or need one of ours I

977
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:06,170
can actually as an Air Force guy I can

978
00:41:10,900 --> 00:41:08,810
tell you exactly why you know we got our

979
00:41:12,850 --> 00:41:10,910
own airplanes but golly we don't miss a

980
00:41:14,290 --> 00:41:12,860
chance to get someone else's if we can I

981
00:41:16,450 --> 00:41:14,300
mean come on you know that's done in the

982
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:16,460
real world all the time so to me that's

983
00:41:19,780 --> 00:41:17,930
not a big aha

984
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:19,790
you know against the story in any way

985
00:41:26,350 --> 00:41:22,490
it's just part of the story and and he

986
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:26,360
was part of the training program that

987
00:41:29,980 --> 00:41:28,010
that went on with these things our guys

988
00:41:32,290 --> 00:41:29,990
were using these things to to fly around

989
00:41:35,110 --> 00:41:32,300
down there but he happened to tell me

990
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:35,120
also that we were also giving giving

991
00:41:38,890 --> 00:41:37,040
some of them to them so you know maybe

992
00:41:41,230 --> 00:41:38,900
they just wanted to try out our stuff

993
00:41:43,240 --> 00:41:41,240
and I don't know what's the implication

994
00:41:44,830 --> 00:41:43,250
you could get out of that that maybe we

995
00:41:46,420 --> 00:41:44,840
got one of theirs and tried out one of

996
00:41:50,590 --> 00:41:46,430
theirs too I mean there there's stories

997
00:41:54,700 --> 00:41:50,600
about that you know that that's this is

998
00:41:58,900 --> 00:41:54,710
the story he told and when he they

999
00:42:01,330 --> 00:41:58,910
encountered these people he and two guys

1000
00:42:04,990 --> 00:42:01,340
he was with they encountered a couple of

1001
00:42:08,830 --> 00:42:05,000
these people he described this item like

1002
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:08,840
a he described it as a tube that all

1003
00:42:14,620 --> 00:42:10,850
they did was raise it and point it at

1004
00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:14,630
the guy he my dad was with and the next

1005
00:42:18,340 --> 00:42:16,640
thing he knew that guy he was with it

1006
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:18,350
was like he was a machine that just shut

1007
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:20,480
off somebody just turned the switch off

1008
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:22,010
and he you know dead before he dropped

1009
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:24,800
the group to hit the ground and this

1010
00:42:29,500 --> 00:42:28,010
really this really this is the part of

1011
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:29,510
the story that would you know get him

1012
00:42:35,590 --> 00:42:32,570
kind of you know emotional upset was

1013
00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:35,600
describing this guy just shutting off

1014
00:42:42,940 --> 00:42:39,250
and he said that their their sense of

1015
00:42:45,490 --> 00:42:42,950
sight wasn't as good as you know the the

1016
00:42:46,300 --> 00:42:45,500
hearing and other senses which when you

1017
00:42:48,730 --> 00:42:46,310
think about it if they're in a

1018
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:48,740
subterranean world and and such you know

1019
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:50,810
we know there's animals like bats and

1020
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:53,090
stuff that yes the wouldn't they be more

1021
00:43:00,010 --> 00:42:56,720
sensitive because it's darker i you know

1022
00:43:02,770 --> 00:43:00,020
what i don't know gene I mean why I

1023
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:02,780
didn't say that they couldn't see I said

1024
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:05,210
that their other senses that's what he

1025
00:43:08,660 --> 00:43:07,280
told me is that their other senses were

1026
00:43:17,029 --> 00:43:08,670
stronger and more

1027
00:43:19,130 --> 00:43:17,039
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1038
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1039
00:44:18,640 --> 00:43:55,220
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1040
00:44:18,650 --> 00:44:28,310
[Music]

1041
00:44:35,180 --> 00:44:32,640
we have Walter Bosley former government

1042
00:44:40,020 --> 00:44:35,190
agent talking about the remembrances of

1043
00:44:42,060 --> 00:44:40,030
his dad who met this subterranean race

1044
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:42,070
Greg bishops our coast when we're

1045
00:44:46,620 --> 00:44:44,170
exploring these details trying to get

1046
00:44:49,260 --> 00:44:46,630
more information out of it now you

1047
00:44:50,670 --> 00:44:49,270
talked to your dad pretty much very late

1048
00:44:53,250 --> 00:44:50,680
in his life when you've got all this

1049
00:44:55,530 --> 00:44:53,260
information right not all of it

1050
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:55,540
the you know portion of it yeah before

1051
00:45:04,470 --> 00:44:59,440
he died right most of it before before

1052
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:04,480
he died years before okay and the

1053
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:06,160
question I guess we always look for is

1054
00:45:11,070 --> 00:45:07,210
corroboration

1055
00:45:13,110 --> 00:45:11,080
so he tells you the story which is

1056
00:45:15,150 --> 00:45:13,120
different as you might imagine from

1057
00:45:17,100 --> 00:45:15,160
other people who claim to have knowledge

1058
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:17,110
about Roswell and other incidents is

1059
00:45:21,690 --> 00:45:19,930
there anything out there then we can

1060
00:45:25,340 --> 00:45:21,700
find that someone had a similar

1061
00:45:31,260 --> 00:45:25,350
experience anywhere I don't know okay

1062
00:45:33,390 --> 00:45:31,270
yeah I mean if anyone else has I haven't

1063
00:45:35,550 --> 00:45:33,400
really heard anyone talk about the

1064
00:45:37,770 --> 00:45:35,560
inexperience quite like what my dad you

1065
00:45:41,010 --> 00:45:37,780
know said he had you got to remember me

1066
00:45:43,620 --> 00:45:41,020
personally and I've said this before I

1067
00:45:46,650 --> 00:45:43,630
lean towards Joseph Farrell's

1068
00:45:49,380 --> 00:45:46,660
theory and I take a lot of crap from

1069
00:45:51,630 --> 00:45:49,390
that by the the et you know religion

1070
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:51,640
true believers and the the people that

1071
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:54,490
just anything but the the Nazis you know

1072
00:45:59,220 --> 00:45:57,010
there's people like that you know but I

1073
00:46:02,760 --> 00:45:59,230
I'm sorry I think Joseph Farrow makes

1074
00:46:04,590 --> 00:46:02,770
one hell of a good argument and presents

1075
00:46:07,290 --> 00:46:04,600
it well and it makes a lot of sense to

1076
00:46:09,870 --> 00:46:07,300
me know for those who haven't heard that

1077
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:09,880
argument and we do plan to have Joseph

1078
00:46:15,060 --> 00:46:11,920
Farrow on the podcast sometime in the

1079
00:46:18,410 --> 00:46:15,070
near future what fundamentally basically

1080
00:46:21,420 --> 00:46:18,420
is his theory here Joseph

1081
00:46:23,380 --> 00:46:21,430
proposes that the Roswell incident had

1082
00:46:25,509 --> 00:46:23,390
to do with world

1083
00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:25,519
or two or a post-world War two ERA Nazi

1084
00:46:33,730 --> 00:46:31,609
technology that either was you know the

1085
00:46:36,670 --> 00:46:33,740
surviving Nazi organization whatever

1086
00:46:42,460 --> 00:46:36,680
that was itself flying this thing over

1087
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:42,470
Roswell or possibly you know us with our

1088
00:46:47,859 --> 00:46:44,450
German engineers that we had captured

1089
00:46:49,930 --> 00:46:47,869
from Germany developing and attempting

1090
00:46:54,039 --> 00:46:49,940
to use some of this technology ourselves

1091
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:54,049
but that it was indeed very much a

1092
00:46:58,750 --> 00:46:56,480
technology that started right here on

1093
00:47:01,900 --> 00:46:58,760
earth with our own human engineers and

1094
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:01,910
scientists and he presents you know he

1095
00:47:06,099 --> 00:47:03,650
points to it he presents a very good

1096
00:47:08,410 --> 00:47:06,109
argument you know most of the people I

1097
00:47:10,180 --> 00:47:08,420
most of the people not all but most of

1098
00:47:13,210 --> 00:47:10,190
the people I know that just vehemently

1099
00:47:15,250 --> 00:47:13,220
oppose it it comes down to well there's

1100
00:47:17,230 --> 00:47:15,260
no way because everybody knows they

1101
00:47:20,049 --> 00:47:17,240
weren't developing you know technology

1102
00:47:21,730 --> 00:47:20,059
like that in World War two okay when you

1103
00:47:25,660 --> 00:47:21,740
get into the everybody knows argument

1104
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:25,670
you've lost me I just and a lot of

1105
00:47:30,609 --> 00:47:27,440
people who oppose Joseph's theory have

1106
00:47:33,130 --> 00:47:30,619
never read Joseph's books so I would

1107
00:47:36,099 --> 00:47:33,140
just say check them out I'm reading it

1108
00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:36,109
right now Russell on the Reich and I'm

1109
00:47:39,940 --> 00:47:38,089
still on the fence I'm still waiting for

1110
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:39,950
him to make the case that really makes

1111
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:42,319
me go oh my god he's you know he's got a

1112
00:47:46,349 --> 00:47:44,089
great case here but I'm gonna finish the

1113
00:47:48,579 --> 00:47:46,359
book how far are you in the book uh

1114
00:47:51,009 --> 00:47:48,589
probably about a third of the way oh

1115
00:47:54,900 --> 00:47:51,019
yeah no no there's more to come you

1116
00:47:57,730 --> 00:47:54,910
y'all be surprised and more arguable

1117
00:48:00,910 --> 00:47:57,740
there's really good solid set there but

1118
00:48:03,220 --> 00:48:00,920
my point is I lean towards that even

1119
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:03,230
with the story my dad told me I lean

1120
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:08,000
towards Joseph's theory so I just want

1121
00:48:13,870 --> 00:48:10,250
everybody clear on where I stand on this

1122
00:48:17,859 --> 00:48:13,880
but my dad's story and his belief in it

1123
00:48:19,539 --> 00:48:17,869
was was so compelling to me that I you

1124
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:19,549
know I felt it's worth sharing it's

1125
00:48:25,299 --> 00:48:21,920
worth getting out there in in the mix

1126
00:48:27,700 --> 00:48:25,309
because the ET hypothesis just ain't

1127
00:48:30,190 --> 00:48:27,710
answering the questions and hasn't been

1128
00:48:33,299 --> 00:48:30,200
for a while so we have to look you know

1129
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:33,309
in in other ways at other directions

1130
00:48:37,780 --> 00:48:35,330
what do you do with that in

1131
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:37,790
I mean what you've done with it just

1132
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:39,410
kind of repeat it to people and take it

1133
00:48:44,140 --> 00:48:42,410
under advisement share it and well okay

1134
00:48:46,570 --> 00:48:44,150
let me let me throw something out to you

1135
00:48:48,370 --> 00:48:46,580
as far as any kind of verifier now Greg

1136
00:48:53,470 --> 00:48:48,380
you remember this because you were

1137
00:48:55,980 --> 00:48:53,480
present okay there was a gentleman that

1138
00:48:59,500 --> 00:48:55,990
I became acquainted with through Greg

1139
00:49:01,570 --> 00:48:59,510
the legendary and infamous bill Moore I

1140
00:49:03,810 --> 00:49:01,580
know there's Brewers and histories out

1141
00:49:07,930 --> 00:49:03,820
there right now as I mentioned that name

1142
00:49:09,580 --> 00:49:07,940
and we were talking one day at do pars I

1143
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:09,590
believe they're at the farmers market

1144
00:49:15,340 --> 00:49:13,610
and I had told Bill this is when I first

1145
00:49:17,230 --> 00:49:15,350
met him Greg had told him a bit about me

1146
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:17,240
and my dad's story so he agreed yeah

1147
00:49:22,300 --> 00:49:18,800
lets you know get together for lunch so

1148
00:49:25,170 --> 00:49:22,310
I told him a bit of my date I told him

1149
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:25,180
my dad's story and he asked me he

1150
00:49:32,740 --> 00:49:30,010
suggested that I ask my dad

1151
00:49:36,820 --> 00:49:32,750
what the name of a particular individual

1152
00:49:38,650 --> 00:49:36,830
was okay now the point is that he asked

1153
00:49:40,780 --> 00:49:38,660
me to ask what the name was I'm not

1154
00:49:42,220 --> 00:49:40,790
gonna go into greater detail cuz I don't

1155
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:42,230
think I'm at liberty to do so without

1156
00:49:47,020 --> 00:49:44,720
Bill here okay so I'm not gonna say the

1157
00:49:49,390 --> 00:49:47,030
name sorry folks but that's not the

1158
00:49:54,850 --> 00:49:49,400
point the point is he said ask your dad

1159
00:49:57,130 --> 00:49:54,860
if this individual you know was on that

1160
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:57,140
plane so you see what happened was my

1161
00:50:00,280 --> 00:49:58,400
dad and the guys he was working with

1162
00:50:02,140 --> 00:50:00,290
back in Alabama that got on a plane at

1163
00:50:03,820 --> 00:50:02,150
Gunnar Air Force Base and they were

1164
00:50:05,980 --> 00:50:03,830
flying to Texas they were suppose to be

1165
00:50:07,900 --> 00:50:05,990
going I think - I don't know if it's

1166
00:50:09,970 --> 00:50:07,910
Kelly or whatever but one of the basis

1167
00:50:12,430 --> 00:50:09,980
in Texas where the Intel stuff is and

1168
00:50:15,070 --> 00:50:12,440
somewhere you know over Louisiana the

1169
00:50:18,010 --> 00:50:15,080
plane takes a northward banking turn and

1170
00:50:20,500 --> 00:50:18,020
an Intel officer comes out and tells

1171
00:50:24,700 --> 00:50:20,510
some guys we're not going to Texas we're

1172
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:24,710
going to Ohio and so anyway I you know

1173
00:50:28,930 --> 00:50:26,690
next time I got together with my dad I

1174
00:50:30,910 --> 00:50:28,940
know how to ask things I'm a federal

1175
00:50:32,650 --> 00:50:30,920
former federal criminal investigator so

1176
00:50:35,020 --> 00:50:32,660
I know how to slip stuff in and do it in

1177
00:50:36,850 --> 00:50:35,030
a way that it doesn't feed anything and

1178
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:36,860
so you know the next time I was with my

1179
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:39,650
dad a few days later I you know I did

1180
00:50:45,010 --> 00:50:43,010
the old hey cuz he had never told me the

1181
00:50:47,390 --> 00:50:45,020
person's name but I kind of fitted in

1182
00:50:49,250 --> 00:50:47,400
there's like hey you know remember

1183
00:50:51,079 --> 00:50:49,260
you know when the you were on the plane

1184
00:50:53,690 --> 00:50:51,089
and you were being told you know hi Oh

1185
00:50:57,260 --> 00:50:53,700
what what was that guy's name you

1186
00:51:00,019 --> 00:50:57,270
mentioned it and he just rattled the

1187
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:00,029
name right off the name in the ring the

1188
00:51:04,099 --> 00:51:01,650
same the intelligence officer on the

1189
00:51:06,529 --> 00:51:04,109
plane you mean yes and it was the same

1190
00:51:08,269 --> 00:51:06,539
name that bill and I'd never heard the

1191
00:51:10,700 --> 00:51:08,279
name before ever in the years my dad

1192
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:10,710
told the story and ever in my life and

1193
00:51:15,049 --> 00:51:12,720
I'll be damned if you know two days

1194
00:51:17,089 --> 00:51:15,059
later you know I asked why I did it in a

1195
00:51:18,380 --> 00:51:17,099
way but I acted like he had told me

1196
00:51:20,539 --> 00:51:18,390
before but he hadn't

1197
00:51:23,240 --> 00:51:20,549
and he just rattled it off and it was

1198
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:23,250
the same name that bill had told me to

1199
00:51:30,380 --> 00:51:27,599
ask him about and I you know where I'm

1200
00:51:33,019 --> 00:51:30,390
coming from my perspective that to me is

1201
00:51:35,450 --> 00:51:33,029
something I I don't know how bill knew

1202
00:51:37,730 --> 00:51:35,460
that name you know I don't know where it

1203
00:51:39,740 --> 00:51:37,740
came from for him but what I thought was

1204
00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:39,750
interesting is my dad who doesn't know

1205
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:41,730
didn't know Bill Moore at all never met

1206
00:51:50,329 --> 00:51:46,410
him didn't know he was you know out pops

1207
00:51:53,210 --> 00:51:50,339
that name so that was that was one of

1208
00:51:54,980 --> 00:51:53,220
the few anythings pieces of this that I

1209
00:51:57,620 --> 00:51:54,990
could ever say well you know for those

1210
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:57,630
who by golly gotta have some type of

1211
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:00,240
verifier I think at the moment off the

1212
00:52:05,630 --> 00:52:01,770
top of my head that's the closest I can

1213
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:05,640
come to it for that verifier meaning

1214
00:52:09,529 --> 00:52:07,770
that your father's sort of would have it

1215
00:52:12,019 --> 00:52:09,539
clues it's what he was talking about did

1216
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:12,029
you at this plane fly it was and when it

1217
00:52:19,519 --> 00:52:17,130
was to whom on the show just now oh yeah

1218
00:52:22,519 --> 00:52:19,529
I thought I just did it was my dad was

1219
00:52:27,980 --> 00:52:22,529
they were going to Texas on what they

1220
00:52:31,069 --> 00:52:27,990
thought was you know one oh not a

1221
00:52:34,700 --> 00:52:31,079
deployment but TDY you know a TDY to

1222
00:52:36,589 --> 00:52:34,710
another base and yes I did describe it

1223
00:52:38,599 --> 00:52:36,599
were then instead of going to Texas they

1224
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:38,609
went to Ohio yes but when was this

1225
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:42,210
flight what days was in the late 50s I'd

1226
00:52:48,099 --> 00:52:45,690
have to look at his dd-214 to to it I

1227
00:52:51,789 --> 00:52:48,109
think 1957

1228
00:52:55,390 --> 00:52:51,799
okay what is that DD 215 is it DD 214

1229
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:55,400
are these e 214 is what it is a standard

1230
00:52:59,170 --> 00:52:57,650
discharge paper that gives you the

1231
00:53:00,729 --> 00:52:59,180
basics that says yeah you were in the

1232
00:53:02,829 --> 00:53:00,739
service from these dates to that dates

1233
00:53:04,569 --> 00:53:02,839
and it would tell me the date he got out

1234
00:53:06,279 --> 00:53:04,579
it was a year it was about a year before

1235
00:53:07,870 --> 00:53:06,289
he got out it was in the year before he

1236
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:07,880
got out and I believe he got out in 58

1237
00:53:15,459 --> 00:53:12,249
and this happened in 57 and so it was

1238
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:15,469
1957 and you know ten years after

1239
00:53:20,049 --> 00:53:18,890
Roswell and he went to Ohio and they

1240
00:53:21,789 --> 00:53:20,059
were briefed in on what their mission

1241
00:53:23,859 --> 00:53:21,799
was really about they were briefed in on

1242
00:53:25,569 --> 00:53:23,869
Roswell and then off to Arizona they

1243
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:25,579
went according okay but obviously this

1244
00:53:29,469 --> 00:53:27,680
experience flies in the face of what

1245
00:53:31,959 --> 00:53:29,479
Joseph Ferrell says because he's talking

1246
00:53:33,549 --> 00:53:31,969
about Nazis and Nazi type invention

1247
00:53:36,819 --> 00:53:33,559
involvement it would seem so

1248
00:53:44,380 --> 00:53:36,829
okay it would seem so okay just trying

1249
00:53:46,569 --> 00:53:44,390
to kind of clarify that now you're okay

1250
00:53:49,299 --> 00:53:46,579
maybe there are a couple of different

1251
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:49,309
explanations here but let's look at your

1252
00:53:53,739 --> 00:53:51,170
father's experiences in more detail okay

1253
00:53:54,789 --> 00:53:53,749
so he was discharged the following year

1254
00:53:58,599 --> 00:53:54,799
yes

1255
00:54:02,170 --> 00:53:58,609
okay now the honorably discharged I will

1256
00:54:04,660 --> 00:54:02,180
add right but he had a later experience

1257
00:54:06,939 --> 00:54:04,670
he went back into service or what no

1258
00:54:08,620 --> 00:54:06,949
this all the stuff I'm telling you

1259
00:54:10,689 --> 00:54:08,630
happened in his last year of service

1260
00:54:14,859 --> 00:54:10,699
okay okay just clarifying the date

1261
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:14,869
structure okay now then nobody came to

1262
00:54:21,099 --> 00:54:18,650
him said listen man you can't tell your

1263
00:54:24,459 --> 00:54:21,109
family you don't want anyone else to

1264
00:54:28,449 --> 00:54:24,469
know about this it's top secret whatever

1265
00:54:30,789 --> 00:54:28,459
oh I'm sure he got the security briefing

1266
00:54:33,939 --> 00:54:30,799
and signed this out of the other but he

1267
00:54:36,910 --> 00:54:33,949
didn't start even hinting at it until

1268
00:54:38,979 --> 00:54:36,920
you know about 20 years after he got out

1269
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:38,989
of the service and then by the time you

1270
00:54:42,910 --> 00:54:40,880
know I got the full details he he'll

1271
00:54:47,309 --> 00:54:42,920
he'd been out of the service you know

1272
00:54:52,689 --> 00:54:47,319
going on 50 years 40 you know 40 years

1273
00:54:54,519 --> 00:54:52,699
you know over 40 years so you know after

1274
00:54:56,260 --> 00:54:54,529
a while after so many years something

1275
00:54:58,120 --> 00:54:56,270
that extraordinary I met

1276
00:55:02,290 --> 00:54:58,130
and you gotta remember he's telling me

1277
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:02,300
his son who by the way since 1988 has

1278
00:55:11,290 --> 00:55:06,650
had a top secret clearance beyond top

1279
00:55:12,850 --> 00:55:11,300
secret so you know may I

1280
00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:12,860
maybe he felt comfortable you know

1281
00:55:18,220 --> 00:55:16,250
telling me and there you go that's all I

1282
00:55:20,890 --> 00:55:18,230
can say about that I understand and

1283
00:55:22,930 --> 00:55:20,900
since you had the Fate article published

1284
00:55:24,700 --> 00:55:22,940
your employer didn't come to you and say

1285
00:55:31,720 --> 00:55:24,710
Walter why'd you do that

1286
00:55:33,580 --> 00:55:31,730
nope okay not at all and you know I - he

1287
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:33,590
wasn't telling me everything I mean

1288
00:55:38,650 --> 00:55:36,050
there were always felt that there was

1289
00:55:41,370 --> 00:55:38,660
you know he was just telling me you know

1290
00:55:44,860 --> 00:55:41,380
what what he felt comfortable telling

1291
00:55:49,300 --> 00:55:44,870
you no of course there was you know more

1292
00:55:50,140 --> 00:55:49,310
to it I I would say but but but it is

1293
00:55:52,030 --> 00:55:50,150
what it is

1294
00:55:56,230 --> 00:55:52,040
you know it's it's what he told me I

1295
00:55:58,060 --> 00:55:56,240
measured his demeanor and and other what

1296
00:56:03,220 --> 00:55:58,070
we call indicators you know as he would

1297
00:56:07,270 --> 00:56:03,230
tell me each time and you know he he

1298
00:56:11,590 --> 00:56:07,280
certainly believes what he was telling

1299
00:56:16,330 --> 00:56:11,600
me actually happened we all think it was

1300
00:56:19,540 --> 00:56:16,340
some kind of psyops that oh it's it's is

1301
00:56:22,900 --> 00:56:19,550
that possible sure why not why not I

1302
00:56:24,730 --> 00:56:22,910
mean why not if if they want to cover up

1303
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:24,740
the real story you know they could have

1304
00:56:30,730 --> 00:56:26,930
poured this stuff into his head what

1305
00:56:32,650 --> 00:56:30,740
using hypnosis maybe or whatever you

1306
00:56:35,770 --> 00:56:32,660
know and this was the cover story and so

1307
00:56:37,660 --> 00:56:35,780
that when you know he would get itchy

1308
00:56:40,180 --> 00:56:37,670
and start wanting to talk about it he

1309
00:56:41,590 --> 00:56:40,190
would give the cover story instead of

1310
00:56:46,930 --> 00:56:41,600
the truth who knows that you know that's

1311
00:56:49,870 --> 00:56:46,940
that's possible I just I don't know I

1312
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:49,880
have no evidence and if never really

1313
00:56:54,130 --> 00:56:52,370
said I've had any evidence you know so

1314
00:56:55,720 --> 00:56:54,140
no I appreciate that what about the

1315
00:56:57,690 --> 00:56:55,730
other members of your family what do

1316
00:57:03,600 --> 00:56:57,700
they think of all this

1317
00:57:06,780 --> 00:57:03,610
um it's it's it's interesting my my mom

1318
00:57:10,410 --> 00:57:06,790
and my sisters there you know I have one

1319
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:10,420
sister that's kind of you know kinda

1320
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:12,130
finds it interesting but she's a little

1321
00:57:16,410 --> 00:57:14,410
bit skittish on the weird and the

1322
00:57:17,550 --> 00:57:16,420
strange and extraordinary phenomena

1323
00:57:19,230 --> 00:57:17,560
she's a little more traditional

1324
00:57:22,020 --> 00:57:19,240
interviews on that and then the other

1325
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:22,030
two my mom and my oldest sister they're

1326
00:57:26,940 --> 00:57:24,370
kind of they just don't say much about

1327
00:57:30,270 --> 00:57:26,950
it they don't really you know discuss it

1328
00:57:33,060 --> 00:57:30,280
too deeply they don't get into it it's

1329
00:57:36,530 --> 00:57:33,070
not something that grabs them they don't

1330
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:36,540
know what to think about it I think so

1331
00:57:46,860 --> 00:57:44,010
what do they think about you and well

1332
00:57:50,580 --> 00:57:46,870
they all have from what I hear the

1333
00:57:52,530 --> 00:57:50,590
highest opinion of me you know the the

1334
00:57:56,700 --> 00:57:52,540
things I've done and accomplished you

1335
00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:56,710
know they they don't they don't they

1336
00:57:59,760 --> 00:57:58,090
don't brush it off they don't say oh

1337
00:58:01,350 --> 00:57:59,770
that Walter I mean yeah they're you know

1338
00:58:02,940 --> 00:58:01,360
they say oh that Walter for other

1339
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:02,950
reasons because you know I mean come on

1340
00:58:07,290 --> 00:58:04,450
I'm the youngest kid and the only boy in

1341
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:07,300
the family so I was the little prince so

1342
00:58:13,500 --> 00:58:08,770
you know I've got a confidence level

1343
00:58:14,940 --> 00:58:13,510
that I think it fools people sometimes

1344
00:58:17,130 --> 00:58:14,950
what how I might begin

1345
00:58:19,790 --> 00:58:17,140
people assume sometimes my confidence

1346
00:58:22,770 --> 00:58:19,800
level isn't as high as it actually is

1347
00:58:24,990 --> 00:58:22,780
but as far as this stuff goes they're

1348
00:58:26,850 --> 00:58:25,000
you know they don't act like or talk

1349
00:58:31,710 --> 00:58:26,860
behind my back like you know Walter's

1350
00:58:34,050 --> 00:58:31,720
crazy I think they they just don't know

1351
00:58:37,170 --> 00:58:34,060
what to say because they know that I'm

1352
00:58:39,870 --> 00:58:37,180
not crazy yeah here's the thing

1353
00:58:41,610 --> 00:58:39,880
in the career I had you are constantly

1354
00:58:43,980 --> 00:58:41,620
as you advance through stages you're

1355
00:58:46,350 --> 00:58:43,990
given psychological batteries you're

1356
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:46,360
looked at and tested psychologically in

1357
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:48,130
many ways that you know about then

1358
00:58:51,180 --> 00:58:49,930
there's ways that they're doing it that

1359
00:58:54,660 --> 00:58:51,190
you don't know you're not aware that

1360
00:58:56,790 --> 00:58:54,670
they're doing it and you know I got

1361
00:58:59,100 --> 00:58:56,800
every position I applied for to in

1362
00:59:01,890 --> 00:58:59,110
advanced of everywhere I you know was

1363
00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:01,900
supposed to advance and I was you know

1364
00:59:05,130 --> 00:59:03,040
put in charge of and given

1365
00:59:09,810 --> 00:59:05,140
responsibility for some pretty sensitive

1366
00:59:10,390 --> 00:59:09,820
things and I'll tell you if there's some

1367
00:59:12,700 --> 00:59:10,400
problem

1368
00:59:14,620 --> 00:59:12,710
they're on the psychological level yeah

1369
00:59:16,359 --> 00:59:14,630
you're not gonna get the posts I got

1370
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:16,369
you're not gonna get the clearance I

1371
00:59:22,930 --> 00:59:18,890
have you're not gonna you're just not

1372
00:59:25,500 --> 00:59:22,940
gonna go the places I went if you've got

1373
00:59:28,839 --> 00:59:25,510
those problems and as I've said before I

1374
00:59:31,059 --> 00:59:28,849
started having extraordinary experiences

1375
00:59:33,220 --> 00:59:31,069
you know in my teen years I mean this

1376
00:59:34,569 --> 00:59:33,230
was going on before I ever started work

1377
00:59:36,099 --> 00:59:34,579
for the FBI and how was I doing radio

1378
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:36,109
shows and writing articles about it

1379
00:59:41,769 --> 00:59:39,440
no but the point is if this were some

1380
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:41,779
psychological predisposition you know

1381
00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:43,520
some what I'd call a psychological

1382
00:59:48,250 --> 00:59:46,400
problem or issue my point is whether I

1383
00:59:49,779 --> 00:59:48,260
was talking about it publicly it would

1384
00:59:52,359 --> 00:59:49,789
have come up on these on these

1385
00:59:54,670 --> 00:59:52,369
measurements okay I understand bad we'll

1386
00:59:57,279 --> 00:59:54,680
have to get to them in part 2 we have

1387
01:00:00,130 --> 00:59:57,289
Walter Bosley our co-host is Greg Bishop

1388
01:00:05,740 --> 01:00:00,140
we'll have more on the other side of the

1389
01:00:07,390 --> 01:00:05,750
power cast we want to hear from you if

1390
01:00:10,599 --> 01:00:07,400
you have a comment or question about the

1391
01:00:14,559 --> 01:00:10,609
podcast send it to news at the podcast

1392
01:00:16,539 --> 01:00:14,569
com that's news at the podcast calm and

1393
01:00:18,250 --> 01:00:16,549
don't forget to visit our forums where

1394
01:00:20,799 --> 01:00:18,260
you can talk to fellow listeners just go

1395
01:00:23,260 --> 01:00:20,809
to the para cast comm and click on the

1396
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:23,270
forum links that's the forum links at

1397
01:00:31,930 --> 01:00:38,380
welcome back to the parent house

1398
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:41,390
Greg Bishop is the co-host Walter Bosley

1399
01:00:46,070 --> 01:00:44,010
returning we're exploring in more detail

1400
01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:46,080
some of the things that he touched on

1401
01:00:50,450 --> 01:00:48,720
and is first actually his third

1402
01:00:52,070 --> 01:00:50,460
appearance on the power cast at first of

1403
01:00:55,580 --> 01:00:52,080
course was when we were talking about

1404
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:55,590
theories with regard to UFOs from under

1405
01:00:58,940 --> 01:00:56,970
the surface of the earth for crypto

1406
01:01:01,100 --> 01:00:58,950
terrestrials then the second episode

1407
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:01,110
with Greg we talk more about his

1408
01:01:05,690 --> 01:01:03,330
personal experiences and now we're

1409
01:01:07,550 --> 01:01:05,700
exploring more details about what

1410
01:01:09,410 --> 01:01:07,560
happened to his father now you wrote the

1411
01:01:12,740 --> 01:01:09,420
article for fate magazine about five

1412
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:12,750
years ago now since then have you gotten

1413
01:01:18,170 --> 01:01:15,570
any letters or information from the

1414
01:01:20,540 --> 01:01:18,180
people who read an article saying I got

1415
01:01:26,420 --> 01:01:20,550
more information I got this I got that

1416
01:01:28,660 --> 01:01:26,430
whatever no I I've had more you know

1417
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:28,670
I've had a few emails from people who

1418
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:32,250
have said they they that their

1419
01:01:38,780 --> 01:01:34,650
experience oh the experience they would

1420
01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:38,790
relate is not really anything that no

1421
01:01:45,190 --> 01:01:42,000
that would corroborate or add anything

1422
01:01:48,770 --> 01:01:45,200
to that experience it was more you know

1423
01:01:51,650 --> 01:01:48,780
similar in a very vague or distant way

1424
01:01:54,220 --> 01:01:51,660
but but to to answer your question you

1425
01:01:58,610 --> 01:01:54,230
know straight as possible no not really

1426
01:02:00,260 --> 01:01:58,620
okay so it may have at least put the

1427
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:00,270
information out there but it didn't

1428
01:02:06,140 --> 01:02:02,610
bring you anything you could investigate

1429
01:02:07,940 --> 01:02:06,150
or follow up no other than the stuff

1430
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:07,950
that had been out there you know

1431
01:02:14,150 --> 01:02:11,250
throughout history about you know other

1432
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:14,160
races lost races lost civilizations and

1433
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:16,170
and how they're very often tied to the

1434
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:18,570
underground you know throughout the the

1435
01:02:23,450 --> 01:02:22,050
lore through history I think the first

1436
01:02:25,370 --> 01:02:23,460
time I was on your show I said

1437
01:02:27,890 --> 01:02:25,380
throughout history there have been these

1438
01:02:29,690 --> 01:02:27,900
stories and legends and somebody one of

1439
01:02:31,550 --> 01:02:29,700
the naysayers took test to that history

1440
01:02:33,050 --> 01:02:31,560
history I don't see that recorded in the

1441
01:02:35,090 --> 01:02:33,060
history of plenty the old you know blah

1442
01:02:39,170 --> 01:02:35,100
blah blah it's like I said the lore

1443
01:02:41,900 --> 01:02:39,180
throughout history you know you got to

1444
01:02:45,740 --> 01:02:41,910
listen to what what people say sometimes

1445
01:02:48,710 --> 01:02:45,750
a little closer once a day yeah you know

1446
01:02:50,870 --> 01:02:48,720
but throughout history there has been

1447
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:50,880
lore there have been accounts

1448
01:02:58,220 --> 01:02:55,170
of very you know similar things but I

1449
01:03:00,140 --> 01:02:58,230
haven't heard anything you know it's I I

1450
01:03:01,940 --> 01:03:00,150
guess fate magazine had neither because

1451
01:03:03,950 --> 01:03:01,950
they put the article in their hardcover

1452
01:03:06,049 --> 01:03:03,960
best of Roswell you know presenting all

1453
01:03:08,059 --> 01:03:06,059
their different theories and stuff they

1454
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:08,069
felt it was you know unique enough that

1455
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:10,890
they put it in there and I you know I

1456
01:03:14,569 --> 01:03:12,930
haven't heard anything quite exactly

1457
01:03:16,579 --> 01:03:14,579
like it other than you know there are

1458
01:03:19,370 --> 01:03:16,589
stories about these battles between Blue

1459
01:03:22,390 --> 01:03:19,380
Team Delta and evil aliens and stuff but

1460
01:03:25,249 --> 01:03:22,400
that's that's more in the eg hypothesis

1461
01:03:27,890 --> 01:03:25,259
basket but it is technically you know

1462
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:27,900
subterranean so I guess some people

1463
01:03:32,539 --> 01:03:30,690
might associate it well certainly if

1464
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:32,549
another race didn't want you to know

1465
01:03:37,039 --> 01:03:35,130
they were here they might pretend or

1466
01:03:38,599 --> 01:03:37,049
give people the impression they were

1467
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:38,609
from out there of this way you don't

1468
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:40,170
look in the right place they miss

1469
01:03:44,660 --> 01:03:42,930
director well look if you're underground

1470
01:03:46,339 --> 01:03:44,670
and you don't want to be seen where are

1471
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:46,349
you gonna tell people to look look up in

1472
01:03:50,749 --> 01:03:47,490
the sky right

1473
01:03:54,140 --> 01:03:50,759
I mean it's sleight of hand bird it's a

1474
01:03:56,150 --> 01:03:54,150
plane it's et yeah you know if you're

1475
01:03:57,769 --> 01:03:56,160
under their feet and you don't want them

1476
01:03:59,569 --> 01:03:57,779
to be looking to close at you under

1477
01:04:01,220 --> 01:03:59,579
their feet then you're gonna tell them

1478
01:04:03,079 --> 01:04:01,230
look above their head look in the sky

1479
01:04:06,230 --> 01:04:03,089
and and you know if that's what they've

1480
01:04:08,329 --> 01:04:06,240
been doing boy it's working because and

1481
01:04:10,309 --> 01:04:08,339
here's what I find interesting not just

1482
01:04:12,319 --> 01:04:10,319
on this but on the other issue that got

1483
01:04:14,539 --> 01:04:12,329
people spun up you know I I've talked

1484
01:04:17,269 --> 01:04:14,549
about a lot of things you know they're

1485
01:04:19,309 --> 01:04:17,279
they're the the one issue was the one

1486
01:04:23,420 --> 01:04:19,319
there that seemed to get people spun up

1487
01:04:25,220 --> 01:04:23,430
the most but on the the UFO issue you

1488
01:04:27,410 --> 01:04:25,230
know it really there's something about

1489
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:27,420
the subterranean issue or the hidden

1490
01:04:31,789 --> 01:04:29,250
civilization the crypto terrestrial that

1491
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:31,799
that some people it just really irks

1492
01:04:37,730 --> 01:04:35,490
them it really burns them and I just I

1493
01:04:39,499 --> 01:04:37,740
find that interesting because a lot of

1494
01:04:41,329 --> 01:04:39,509
times not in every case but a lot of

1495
01:04:42,589 --> 01:04:41,339
times you talk to these people and you

1496
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:42,599
find the other things that they're

1497
01:04:48,349 --> 01:04:46,170
willing to buy and I just want to I just

1498
01:04:50,450 --> 01:04:48,359
want to kind of laugh and go wait a

1499
01:04:52,849 --> 01:04:50,460
minute you buy this this and this but

1500
01:04:55,370 --> 01:04:52,859
you pointed this other thing and you say

1501
01:04:58,519 --> 01:04:55,380
oh that's a bunch of hogwash it really

1502
01:05:00,769 --> 01:04:58,529
gets to be silly when you talk about an

1503
01:05:02,900 --> 01:05:00,779
audience of any venue that talks about

1504
01:05:03,530 --> 01:05:02,910
the paranormal or any extraordinary

1505
01:05:06,020 --> 01:05:03,540
phenomena

1506
01:05:12,410 --> 01:05:06,030
any degree and you got people that are

1507
01:05:14,870 --> 01:05:12,420
real just real agitated in the Hema Lee

1508
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:14,880
opposed to something but you know hey

1509
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:17,370
you know they buy into chupacabra

1510
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:19,890
Bigfoot you know or whatever and not to

1511
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:22,050
put those down but the point is folks

1512
01:05:27,170 --> 01:05:23,730
we're all kind of swimming in the same

1513
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:27,180
pool here and it's kind of like you know

1514
01:05:30,470 --> 01:05:29,610
one nut in the asylum calling another

1515
01:05:33,170 --> 01:05:30,480
nut crazy

1516
01:05:35,060 --> 01:05:33,180
I'd like Jack Nicholson talking to the

1517
01:05:37,670 --> 01:05:35,070
other crazy people in One Flew Over the

1518
01:05:39,830 --> 01:05:37,680
Cuckoo's Nest maybe hey let me ask you a

1519
01:05:43,010 --> 01:05:39,840
few other questions about this all right

1520
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:43,020
so does Walter Bosley believe there is

1521
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:46,410
an et out there yes maybe he's coming

1522
01:05:53,450 --> 01:05:46,890
here

1523
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:53,460
all along and will continue to do so you

1524
01:05:57,620 --> 01:05:55,530
say well gene said eeet and then Walter

1525
01:06:02,140 --> 01:05:57,630
said yes do you mean extraterrestrial

1526
01:06:05,330 --> 01:06:02,150
are just not human extraterrestrial I

1527
01:06:07,790 --> 01:06:05,340
think that I believe that that there's

1528
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:07,800
you know other extraterrestrial races

1529
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:10,290
living on literally other planets and

1530
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:15,330
they cross space to to come here to go

1531
01:06:22,370 --> 01:06:18,690
other places yes I do believe that what

1532
01:06:24,890 --> 01:06:22,380
is there about the evidence for et that

1533
01:06:26,330 --> 01:06:24,900
encourages that belief well there

1534
01:06:28,130 --> 01:06:26,340
because I'm trying to separate this from

1535
01:06:31,190 --> 01:06:28,140
the theory of the crypto terrestrials

1536
01:06:33,590 --> 01:06:31,200
okay okay there's been enough sightings

1537
01:06:37,700 --> 01:06:33,600
that you know we that can't be explained

1538
01:06:39,260 --> 01:06:37,710
through conventional means that you know

1539
01:06:41,420 --> 01:06:39,270
that when you get into the details of

1540
01:06:44,810 --> 01:06:41,430
the sighting you know it came it came

1541
01:06:47,660 --> 01:06:44,820
from outer space there have been you

1542
01:06:49,610 --> 01:06:47,670
know enough things in my opinion that

1543
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:49,620
appear to have been found on the moon on

1544
01:06:56,780 --> 01:06:52,770
Mars and such that indicate you know and

1545
01:06:58,640 --> 01:06:56,790
intelligence you know has been there if

1546
01:07:00,530 --> 01:06:58,650
not you know isn't still there

1547
01:07:02,330 --> 01:07:00,540
okay let's pursue that for a second okay

1548
01:07:03,830 --> 01:07:02,340
things found are you talking about this

1549
01:07:06,050 --> 01:07:03,840
stuff that someone like that Richard

1550
01:07:07,780 --> 01:07:06,060
Hoagland brings out about possible

1551
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:07,790
artifacts on the moon and on Mars

1552
01:07:11,270 --> 01:07:10,170
Hoagland's not the only one but yeah

1553
01:07:13,310 --> 01:07:11,280
when you're talking you know there's

1554
01:07:13,900 --> 01:07:13,320
been several people that point to you

1555
01:07:15,789 --> 01:07:13,910
know pasta

1556
01:07:19,180 --> 01:07:15,799
artifacts that you know it's kind of a

1557
01:07:24,190 --> 01:07:19,190
it's not entirely explainable by you

1558
01:07:26,020 --> 01:07:24,200
know photographic phenomena yeah you

1559
01:07:29,079 --> 01:07:26,030
know you like to face on Mars

1560
01:07:31,059 --> 01:07:29,089
well not just the face on Mars the

1561
01:07:33,490 --> 01:07:31,069
things on the moon and in the various

1562
01:07:34,539 --> 01:07:33,500
things I don't want to yeah like that

1563
01:07:35,829 --> 01:07:34,549
yeah but I don't

1564
01:07:37,660 --> 01:07:35,839
okay well let's see how this is a

1565
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:37,670
fascinating subject we haven't touched

1566
01:07:42,819 --> 01:07:40,130
upon and since the door is open let's

1567
01:07:45,700 --> 01:07:42,829
step through it and let's look at the

1568
01:07:47,529 --> 01:07:45,710
anomalies on the moon and we've had not

1569
01:07:50,289 --> 01:07:47,539
much coverage of anomalies on the moon

1570
01:07:52,990 --> 01:07:50,299
here I mean we address them in some ways

1571
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:53,000
when we talk to the late Mac Tony's and

1572
01:07:59,500 --> 01:07:56,210
then in an episode we had with Don Ecker

1573
01:08:01,660 --> 01:07:59,510
and Bob caveat we touched upon some of

1574
01:08:04,630 --> 01:08:01,670
the Moon anomalies what do you see

1575
01:08:06,730 --> 01:08:04,640
that's anomalous in anything that we've

1576
01:08:08,859 --> 01:08:06,740
presented publicly in terms of

1577
01:08:11,289 --> 01:08:08,869
photographs or evidence from the moon

1578
01:08:14,319 --> 01:08:11,299
you mean when you say we you mean

1579
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:14,329
official NASA or just anybody anybody

1580
01:08:18,789 --> 01:08:16,730
but I assume official NASA starts with

1581
01:08:20,769 --> 01:08:18,799
it since you know they sent the probes

1582
01:08:25,180 --> 01:08:20,779
we were there I hope we were there yeah

1583
01:08:27,579 --> 01:08:25,190
well I like I think we were there i we

1584
01:08:31,300 --> 01:08:27,589
we went to the moon I think if anything

1585
01:08:33,910 --> 01:08:31,310
we're just simply again this is my

1586
01:08:35,860 --> 01:08:33,920
opinion based on you know experience or

1587
01:08:38,470 --> 01:08:35,870
you know what studies I've done and

1588
01:08:40,269 --> 01:08:38,480
based on studying the work of others I

1589
01:08:43,150 --> 01:08:40,279
am NOT an expert on this by the way I'm

1590
01:08:45,669 --> 01:08:43,160
just you know very much you know a

1591
01:08:48,099 --> 01:08:45,679
student of these things I'm not the

1592
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:48,109
expert on this stuff but what I've seen

1593
01:08:53,349 --> 01:08:49,850
and what I've studied and what has been

1594
01:08:55,530 --> 01:08:53,359
presented and and and what I know how

1595
01:08:58,479 --> 01:08:55,540
the government works and what I know how

1596
01:09:02,530 --> 01:08:58,489
you know something how classified

1597
01:09:04,599 --> 01:09:02,540
projects work I do not believe that we

1598
01:09:07,090 --> 01:09:04,609
were told everything that was found on

1599
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:07,100
the moon I and that doesn't bother me

1600
01:09:11,530 --> 01:09:08,690
that doesn't keep me up late at night it

1601
01:09:14,260 --> 01:09:11,540
doesn't piss me off I mean come on you

1602
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:14,270
know they went up there and you know

1603
01:09:18,970 --> 01:09:16,489
NASA most people don't realize it but

1604
01:09:21,430 --> 01:09:18,980
NASA has very much a national defense

1605
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:21,440
aspect to its mission and you know we

1606
01:09:24,849 --> 01:09:23,210
sent our guys up there and I wouldn't

1607
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:24,859
expect that if they found certain things

1608
01:09:28,790 --> 01:09:26,370
until they knew how they wanted to

1609
01:09:30,620 --> 01:09:28,800
and a little if it served a strategic

1610
01:09:32,180 --> 01:09:30,630
purpose you know I would fully expect

1611
01:09:34,310 --> 01:09:32,190
that they would keep some things from us

1612
01:09:36,620 --> 01:09:34,320
I I think it would been very easy for

1613
01:09:38,630 --> 01:09:36,630
them to keep things from us I am NOT one

1614
01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:38,640
of those who believes the government is

1615
01:09:43,310 --> 01:09:40,560
so incompetent they can't keep a secret

1616
01:09:45,490 --> 01:09:43,320
to me that's ridiculous

1617
01:09:48,050 --> 01:09:45,500
they can keep a secret if they want to

1618
01:09:51,940 --> 01:09:48,060
and I've argued that point a lot of

1619
01:09:55,790 --> 01:09:51,950
places but that's what I think about our

1620
01:09:59,150 --> 01:09:55,800
Apollo program I think it's very easy

1621
01:10:02,270 --> 01:09:59,160
for I I do think we have you know a

1622
01:10:05,630 --> 01:10:02,280
secret space program secret in that yeah

1623
01:10:08,540 --> 01:10:05,640
I think the Air Force very easily can be

1624
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:08,550
sending bodies up into space any old

1625
01:10:13,370 --> 01:10:10,290
time they want to without the public

1626
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:13,380
knowing it and you know it would

1627
01:10:18,440 --> 01:10:16,050
surprise me if we hadn't been but

1628
01:10:20,780 --> 01:10:18,450
typically the space program is basically

1629
01:10:22,790 --> 01:10:20,790
been going to help in a branch and

1630
01:10:25,130 --> 01:10:22,800
you've cutback in the budget there's a

1631
01:10:27,650 --> 01:10:25,140
lot of controversy over the way we're

1632
01:10:29,450 --> 01:10:27,660
treating future space programs but that

1633
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:29,460
would be the public space program so you

1634
01:10:33,700 --> 01:10:31,170
feel there's a private space program

1635
01:10:36,220 --> 01:10:33,710
maybe with sure more advanced technology

1636
01:10:39,650 --> 01:10:36,230
or it doesn't necessarily have to be

1637
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:39,660
more you know way far more advanced just

1638
01:10:43,700 --> 01:10:41,850
you know going on in ways that it's

1639
01:10:46,130 --> 01:10:43,710
camouflage for instance you know the Air

1640
01:10:48,020 --> 01:10:46,140
Force pops a rocket up off of Vandenberg

1641
01:10:49,700 --> 01:10:48,030
and of course you know a lot of people

1642
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:49,710
see the rocket go up they you know they

1643
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:52,170
that we know when there's a launch well

1644
01:10:55,070 --> 01:10:53,610
you don't know exactly what the payload

1645
01:10:57,170 --> 01:10:55,080
is inside there and I know there's some

1646
01:10:59,060 --> 01:10:57,180
people that you know will point out that

1647
01:11:00,620 --> 01:10:59,070
well there's there's this and that that

1648
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:00,630
can pick up the telemetry of when

1649
01:11:04,130 --> 01:11:02,250
there's a life-support system on board

1650
01:11:06,620 --> 01:11:04,140
something and I think wait a minute we

1651
01:11:09,380 --> 01:11:06,630
have pretty sophisticated systems you

1652
01:11:12,830 --> 01:11:09,390
know for warfare that jam certain radars

1653
01:11:15,650 --> 01:11:12,840
and jam certain signals and and you know

1654
01:11:17,270 --> 01:11:15,660
confuse signals who's to say they don't

1655
01:11:18,650 --> 01:11:17,280
have something that be you know if

1656
01:11:20,270 --> 01:11:18,660
you've got a payload a life support

1657
01:11:22,610 --> 01:11:20,280
payload inside one of those rockets that

1658
01:11:24,770 --> 01:11:22,620
there's they're not telling the public

1659
01:11:27,060 --> 01:11:24,780
there's people in there and by the way

1660
01:11:28,930 --> 01:11:27,070
they're not obligated to

1661
01:11:32,410 --> 01:11:28,940
who's to say we don't have the

1662
01:11:34,090 --> 01:11:32,420
technology that you know that can

1663
01:11:36,340 --> 01:11:34,100
camouflage the fact that there's a

1664
01:11:38,500 --> 01:11:36,350
life-support system in there okay you

1665
01:11:40,690 --> 01:11:38,510
know that there was even a launch people

1666
01:11:43,209 --> 01:11:40,700
that are interested should go on the Oh

1667
01:11:44,770 --> 01:11:43,219
what's it called well there's a list for

1668
01:11:47,110 --> 01:11:44,780
Vandenberg Air Force Base and they'll

1669
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:47,120
actually email you a guy that's sort of

1670
01:11:51,190 --> 01:11:49,489
associated with member will email you a

1671
01:11:54,420 --> 01:11:51,200
list of when they're having launches and

1672
01:11:57,610 --> 01:11:54,430
what the payload is sort of unless it's

1673
01:12:00,850 --> 01:11:57,620
very secretive and he'll just say NSA

1674
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:00,860
payload one of the they have one section

1675
01:12:04,690 --> 01:12:03,170
called weird stuff and there's actually

1676
01:12:08,830 --> 01:12:04,700
some very strange reports on there

1677
01:12:10,420 --> 01:12:08,840
speaking of secret space programs a guy

1678
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:10,430
wrote into the list and he said he was

1679
01:12:16,060 --> 01:12:13,730
flying on a commercial airline either to

1680
01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:16,070
or from Hawaii coming in towards the Cal

1681
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:17,600
Southern California coast they said they

1682
01:12:23,470 --> 01:12:20,810
saw a plane or at least a contrail going

1683
01:12:25,830 --> 01:12:23,480
across the sky above them and he said

1684
01:12:28,330 --> 01:12:25,840
all of a sudden the contrails stopped or

1685
01:12:30,430 --> 01:12:28,340
disappeared and and another trail went

1686
01:12:33,850 --> 01:12:30,440
straight up from it like right up into

1687
01:12:36,070 --> 01:12:33,860
space so I would assume they're

1688
01:12:37,420 --> 01:12:36,080
launching something from up and way up

1689
01:12:39,729 --> 01:12:37,430
in the atmosphere where you can't really

1690
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:39,739
most people wouldn't really be looking

1691
01:12:44,740 --> 01:12:42,170
or be able to see it my experience in

1692
01:12:47,590 --> 01:12:44,750
the Air Force left me with the position

1693
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:47,600
that it's for me this works for me

1694
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:49,370
you know what I'm not telling you that

1695
01:12:53,470 --> 01:12:51,530
it should work for you I'm not implying

1696
01:12:55,270 --> 01:12:53,480
that I'm not insinuating that I'm

1697
01:12:57,280 --> 01:12:55,280
telling you my position my position

1698
01:13:00,910 --> 01:12:57,290
after my experience in the Air Force is

1699
01:13:02,500 --> 01:13:00,920
I would feel silly thinking well there's

1700
01:13:04,180 --> 01:13:02,510
no secret space program

1701
01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:04,190
well we couldn't be sending people up

1702
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:06,560
there to meet for me that would be a

1703
01:13:11,260 --> 01:13:08,330
silly assumption on my part

1704
01:13:15,870 --> 01:13:11,270
ok theory on your part it's not that you

1705
01:13:21,850 --> 01:13:19,000
theory based on having spent six years

1706
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:21,860
on active duty in the Air Force OSI

1707
01:13:28,300 --> 01:13:24,370
which is very much involved in

1708
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:28,310
protection of Air Force material and

1709
01:13:34,630 --> 01:13:31,610
programs you know I was I was exposed to

1710
01:13:35,860 --> 01:13:34,640
things let's say and leave it at that ok

1711
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:35,870
so you can't tell us what you were

1712
01:13:40,370 --> 01:13:38,370
exposed to because of course not because

1713
01:13:42,590 --> 01:13:40,380
body would knock on your door and you'd

1714
01:13:44,930 --> 01:13:42,600
say serious problems and before they

1715
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:44,940
knock on my door I wouldn't feel good

1716
01:13:49,970 --> 01:13:47,730
about doing it I mean you know but you

1717
01:13:51,620 --> 01:13:49,980
feel you can go so far as to say there

1718
01:13:54,020 --> 01:13:51,630
is a secret space program

1719
01:13:58,670 --> 01:13:54,030
maybe we're sending astronauts out there

1720
01:14:01,970 --> 01:13:58,680
maybe we have found some further bits of

1721
01:14:05,750 --> 01:14:01,980
evidence all the things you said maybe

1722
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:05,760
on yes yes maybe also and but the first

1723
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:07,770
thing you said was I said I'd feel silly

1724
01:14:11,310 --> 01:14:09,690
to think that there's not a secret space

1725
01:14:20,299 --> 01:14:11,320
program

1726
01:14:24,330 --> 01:14:20,309
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1727
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1728
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1729
01:14:31,740 --> 01:14:28,960
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1730
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1731
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1745
01:15:25,420 --> 01:15:22,650
this is the bear guest you never know

1746
01:15:28,870 --> 01:15:25,430
what's next

1747
01:15:33,939 --> 01:15:31,570
Greg Bishop is the co-host Walter Bosley

1748
01:15:36,820 --> 01:15:33,949
is the guest and now we're talking about

1749
01:15:39,580 --> 01:15:36,830
know we started with Roz well and his

1750
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:39,590
remembrances from his father and some of

1751
01:15:45,820 --> 01:15:42,770
his experiences getting into his

1752
01:15:48,610 --> 01:15:45,830
opinions about the moon the Mars the

1753
01:15:51,250 --> 01:15:48,620
anomalies okay but since we don't know

1754
01:15:53,979 --> 01:15:51,260
the details of the secret space program

1755
01:15:55,750 --> 01:15:53,989
we assume for the sake of argument we'll

1756
01:15:58,300 --> 01:15:55,760
just assume there is one of course going

1757
01:16:01,120 --> 01:15:58,310
on all right so what evidence is there

1758
01:16:04,060 --> 01:16:01,130
that we can see that shows some

1759
01:16:06,550 --> 01:16:04,070
anomalous stuff on the motor yes I said

1760
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:06,560
I'm I'm not the the expert on this look

1761
01:16:13,330 --> 01:16:10,610
to Hoagland's material look to there's a

1762
01:16:15,850 --> 01:16:13,340
you know you do a basic search you know

1763
01:16:18,939 --> 01:16:15,860
in your library on the web and your book

1764
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:18,949
store there's any number of books that

1765
01:16:23,169 --> 01:16:20,810
you know you can find where other

1766
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:23,179
researchers okay but you basically get

1767
01:16:26,379 --> 01:16:25,130
spoken is pretty controversial and a lot

1768
01:16:29,229 --> 01:16:26,389
of people don't believe him

1769
01:16:31,060 --> 01:16:29,239
oh it's all controversy over let's let's

1770
01:16:32,950 --> 01:16:31,070
be honest here let's be honest with we

1771
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:32,960
we all do these shows we like to come on

1772
01:16:36,370 --> 01:16:34,370
here and we say well that guy's

1773
01:16:38,740 --> 01:16:36,380
controversial but at the same time will

1774
01:16:40,750 --> 01:16:38,750
embrace this guy over here who's first

1775
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:40,760
whatever reason usually because he's

1776
01:16:46,110 --> 01:16:43,489
just more popular okay so basically my

1777
01:16:48,370 --> 01:16:46,120
favorite nut it's not your favorite not

1778
01:16:50,830 --> 01:16:48,380
exactly what you feel there's something

1779
01:16:52,930 --> 01:16:50,840
credible for based on your life

1780
01:16:55,149 --> 01:16:52,940
experience whatever you feel something

1781
01:16:58,530 --> 01:16:55,159
is credible about Hoagland suggesting

1782
01:17:01,600 --> 01:16:58,540
there are moon anomalies indicating some

1783
01:17:03,910 --> 01:17:01,610
intelligence has been there is there and

1784
01:17:06,070 --> 01:17:03,920
to say that's true for Mars yeah without

1785
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:06,080
without agreeing with every little point

1786
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:09,290
he makes yeah I think basically he's

1787
01:17:13,780 --> 01:17:11,449
he's on to something and he wasn't the

1788
01:17:15,370 --> 01:17:13,790
first there have been other he's a gene

1789
01:17:16,750 --> 01:17:15,380
I think you were implying that Walter

1790
01:17:18,459 --> 01:17:16,760
was saying that because of his

1791
01:17:19,780 --> 01:17:18,469
experience in the military that he

1792
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:19,790
thought they were moon alone malaise I

1793
01:17:23,229 --> 01:17:21,170
don't think is that what you're saying

1794
01:17:24,939 --> 01:17:23,239
Walter I think he's unless it you're

1795
01:17:27,129 --> 01:17:24,949
saying well because of your experience

1796
01:17:29,290 --> 01:17:27,139
in military you know it's possible for

1797
01:17:30,550 --> 01:17:29,300
them to do things that aren't on the

1798
01:17:32,410 --> 01:17:30,560
radar as they say right

1799
01:17:35,140 --> 01:17:32,420
oh yeah that's exactly yeah I am saying

1800
01:17:36,189 --> 01:17:35,150
that all right I'm not by any stretch of

1801
01:17:38,179 --> 01:17:36,199
the imagination

1802
01:17:40,069 --> 01:17:38,189
assuming that you have guilty knowledge

1803
01:17:42,350 --> 01:17:40,079
that you're hinting at here you know

1804
01:17:44,810 --> 01:17:42,360
what there are things I was told by

1805
01:17:46,850 --> 01:17:44,820
people with higher clearances in mine

1806
01:17:51,699 --> 01:17:46,860
and in more years that I'm not at

1807
01:17:54,770 --> 01:17:51,709
liberty to share that goes into the mix

1808
01:17:58,520 --> 01:17:54,780
that goes into the mix on why I think

1809
01:18:00,739 --> 01:17:58,530
what I think but nothing I can you know

1810
01:18:03,979 --> 01:18:00,749
there's no file I can pull out or point

1811
01:18:07,009 --> 01:18:03,989
to that you know it's going to be the

1812
01:18:09,290 --> 01:18:07,019
smoking gun okay so you can see it as a

1813
01:18:11,330 --> 01:18:09,300
possibility nothing that you've observed

1814
01:18:13,429 --> 01:18:11,340
if you look at the photos shows you hey

1815
01:18:15,770 --> 01:18:13,439
this is pretty weird maybe this is

1816
01:18:18,199 --> 01:18:15,780
something if I blow it up 400 times it

1817
01:18:20,119 --> 01:18:18,209
shows some kind of artifact now you just

1818
01:18:22,339 --> 01:18:20,129
said nothing one of what the the photos

1819
01:18:24,500 --> 01:18:22,349
I've seen that are available out there

1820
01:18:26,689 --> 01:18:24,510
for everybody to see yeah there are some

1821
01:18:28,459 --> 01:18:26,699
pretty questionable you know what the

1822
01:18:30,500 --> 01:18:28,469
heck is this it doesn't look natural

1823
01:18:32,119 --> 01:18:30,510
it looks artificial yeah that's my point

1824
01:18:35,869 --> 01:18:32,129
and that stuff's out there for anybody

1825
01:18:37,699 --> 01:18:35,879
to go see okay Acker had a as you said

1826
01:18:40,609 --> 01:18:37,709
Jean he has a very heavy interest in

1827
01:18:42,649 --> 01:18:40,619
wound anomalies and I think he's had one

1828
01:18:45,619 --> 01:18:42,659
or two researchers on if people want to

1829
01:18:47,569 --> 01:18:45,629
listen to any of his shows with their

1830
01:18:50,029 --> 01:18:47,579
compelling evidence in a more specific

1831
01:18:51,649 --> 01:18:50,039
format a long time ago I published a

1832
01:18:53,810 --> 01:18:51,659
story called the square craters on the

1833
01:18:55,369 --> 01:18:53,820
moon because I just happened to get in

1834
01:18:57,649 --> 01:18:55,379
tongue contact with somebody who was a

1835
01:19:02,149 --> 01:18:57,659
JPL scientists who looked at some

1836
01:19:03,500 --> 01:19:02,159
pictures from the surveyor craft that

1837
01:19:05,540 --> 01:19:03,510
were mapping the moon for the Apollo

1838
01:19:07,429 --> 01:19:05,550
missions and they saw these craters that

1839
01:19:08,810 --> 01:19:07,439
were square I mean they were you know

1840
01:19:10,310 --> 01:19:08,820
that the craters were right angles to

1841
01:19:11,419 --> 01:19:10,320
each other and there's three or four of

1842
01:19:14,689 --> 01:19:11,429
them at near the North Pole

1843
01:19:17,389 --> 01:19:14,699
Don seems to discount them for reasons

1844
01:19:19,669 --> 01:19:17,399
that I cannot fathom but to me they're

1845
01:19:21,199 --> 01:19:19,679
still very very strange-looking I don't

1846
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:21,209
know what they prove but they certainly

1847
01:19:27,799 --> 01:19:25,010
look not natural okay what about Mars

1848
01:19:29,959 --> 01:19:27,809
Walter what's there about Mars other

1849
01:19:31,759 --> 01:19:29,969
than Hoagland's face on Mars what else

1850
01:19:35,869 --> 01:19:31,769
do you see the holes are very

1851
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:35,879
interesting in that years before I had

1852
01:19:42,669 --> 01:19:39,090
you know heard interesting source that

1853
01:19:46,369 --> 01:19:42,679
there was you know a subterranean

1854
01:19:49,100 --> 01:19:46,379
civilization on Mars and then years

1855
01:19:51,750 --> 01:19:49,110
later they revealed these holes to

1856
01:19:53,670 --> 01:19:51,760
that's an interesting thing to look into

1857
01:19:56,010 --> 01:19:53,680
the the jury's still out on that as it

1858
01:19:58,920 --> 01:19:56,020
is on other things but but there there

1859
01:20:00,780 --> 01:19:58,930
have been things that again you know

1860
01:20:03,810 --> 01:20:00,790
other researchers have presented that

1861
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:03,820
you got to wonder what is this you know

1862
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:07,330
this doesn't look natural or you know

1863
01:20:12,990 --> 01:20:10,810
why why is this condition on Mars not

1864
01:20:14,850 --> 01:20:13,000
what doesn't match what the impression

1865
01:20:17,490 --> 01:20:14,860
we're normally given is you know that

1866
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:17,500
it's this dry arid nothing but red dust

1867
01:20:22,530 --> 01:20:20,650
place and you know but that stuff's out

1868
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:22,540
there again I'm not the expert on this

1869
01:20:28,500 --> 01:20:25,330
stuff I just like other people you know

1870
01:20:30,300 --> 01:20:28,510
I look at it and personally you know it

1871
01:20:32,820 --> 01:20:30,310
gives me a particular impression that

1872
01:20:35,970 --> 01:20:32,830
you know there's something to this then

1873
01:20:37,860 --> 01:20:35,980
we also wonder then why are we cutting

1874
01:20:41,970 --> 01:20:37,870
back the space program at least publicly

1875
01:20:43,650 --> 01:20:41,980
I think it'd be great politically to say

1876
01:20:45,690 --> 01:20:43,660
okay we're gonna go back to the moon

1877
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:45,700
we're gonna go to Mars not in 40 years

1878
01:20:50,820 --> 01:20:48,610
or 30 years we're all too old to care

1879
01:20:52,830 --> 01:20:50,830
but why are they cutting back

1880
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:52,840
well maybe it's consider this

1881
01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:55,210
possibility that maybe they're the

1882
01:20:58,950 --> 01:20:57,010
leaders don't have the burning issue to

1883
01:21:01,500 --> 01:20:58,960
do this grand glorious mission because

1884
01:21:04,170 --> 01:21:01,510
gosh they know we're doing it anyway and

1885
01:21:07,860 --> 01:21:04,180
there are more pressing matters here at

1886
01:21:09,270 --> 01:21:07,870
home that in many people's opinion that

1887
01:21:12,690 --> 01:21:09,280
you know they figure well I better deal

1888
01:21:15,150 --> 01:21:12,700
with this you know et is there et has

1889
01:21:17,820 --> 01:21:15,160
been there et is here and we have the

1890
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:17,830
evidence this can turn civilization

1891
01:21:20,820 --> 01:21:18,850
upside down though

1892
01:21:22,830 --> 01:21:20,830
well maybe you know and maybe there's a

1893
01:21:25,830 --> 01:21:22,840
good reason that they're not telling us

1894
01:21:27,990 --> 01:21:25,840
about et maybe you know maybe there's

1895
01:21:29,670 --> 01:21:28,000
maybe it's part of an agreement you know

1896
01:21:32,220 --> 01:21:29,680
you meet this other civilization and

1897
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:32,230
their thing is hey here's the deal or

1898
01:21:36,510 --> 01:21:34,330
will interact with you in this way and

1899
01:21:38,820 --> 01:21:36,520
this to this degree but no you don't you

1900
01:21:40,740 --> 01:21:38,830
tell your people about us and that's the

1901
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:40,750
deal and you either agree to it or we're

1902
01:21:45,180 --> 01:21:43,210
gone and whatever it is they offer you

1903
01:21:46,650 --> 01:21:45,190
know that's possible I'm not a believer

1904
01:21:48,660 --> 01:21:46,660
that disclosure - right around the

1905
01:21:50,850 --> 01:21:48,670
corner you want to ask something that

1906
01:21:53,010 --> 01:21:50,860
I'm not buying into that's one of them

1907
01:21:54,930 --> 01:21:53,020
I don't see disclosure happening right

1908
01:21:57,240 --> 01:21:54,940
around the corner there there may be a

1909
01:21:59,070 --> 01:21:57,250
very good reason why you know those

1910
01:21:59,979 --> 01:21:59,080
beans are spilled if there's beans to

1911
01:22:01,689 --> 01:21:59,989
spill

1912
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:01,699
that assumes of course that they know

1913
01:22:07,569 --> 01:22:04,570
anything more than we do that's right

1914
01:22:09,310 --> 01:22:07,579
that's right and maybe they don't I

1915
01:22:11,259 --> 01:22:09,320
would say they're in the position to

1916
01:22:13,660 --> 01:22:11,269
know more than we do when you consider

1917
01:22:15,609 --> 01:22:13,670
who controls the machinery that's up

1918
01:22:18,609 --> 01:22:15,619
there in the sky and in who you know

1919
01:22:20,259 --> 01:22:18,619
works you know the most advanced stuff I

1920
01:22:23,319 --> 01:22:20,269
would say they are more in a position

1921
01:22:25,569 --> 01:22:23,329
than we are but you know they might not

1922
01:22:27,910 --> 01:22:25,579
and the other question of course we

1923
01:22:29,859 --> 01:22:27,920
raise here is all right so if there's a

1924
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:29,869
space program it's being financed with

1925
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:32,449
black projects there's hidden money it's

1926
01:22:37,060 --> 01:22:34,610
the three trillion dollars that Donald

1927
01:22:39,189 --> 01:22:37,070
Rumsfeld couldn't find back in ten years

1928
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:39,199
ago yeah is that it

1929
01:22:43,959 --> 01:22:42,650
why not that that seems to be a good

1930
01:22:46,089 --> 01:22:43,969
explanation there are black programs

1931
01:22:47,950 --> 01:22:46,099
something you don't know about trillions

1932
01:22:50,919 --> 01:22:47,960
of dollars there you go

1933
01:22:51,430 --> 01:22:50,929
to me that that's a big indicator right

1934
01:22:54,009 --> 01:22:51,440
there

1935
01:22:55,660 --> 01:22:54,019
well we're suddenly broke so it's got to

1936
01:22:57,759 --> 01:22:55,670
be going somewhere and they're not

1937
01:22:59,620 --> 01:22:57,769
spending $10,000 for a 12-inch seat

1938
01:23:02,350 --> 01:22:59,630
isn't that the comment that Judd Hirsch

1939
01:23:05,770 --> 01:23:02,360
made in the movie Independence Day yes

1940
01:23:07,779 --> 01:23:05,780
something like that yeah okay so let's

1941
01:23:10,359 --> 01:23:07,789
go into disclosure a little bit here

1942
01:23:12,129 --> 01:23:10,369
we've got all these I think very serious

1943
01:23:14,859 --> 01:23:12,139
people very sincere people and then the

1944
01:23:17,109 --> 01:23:14,869
disclosure wackos out there and the

1945
01:23:19,779 --> 01:23:17,119
disclosure wackos figure we're in touch

1946
01:23:21,939 --> 01:23:19,789
with et Obama's gonna announce it

1947
01:23:25,089 --> 01:23:21,949
tomorrow but wait he didn't and this is

1948
01:23:27,009 --> 01:23:25,099
why he didn't a new conspiracy but does

1949
01:23:30,129 --> 01:23:27,019
Obama or any other president know

1950
01:23:32,020 --> 01:23:30,139
anything yes I I'm I am NOT one of those

1951
01:23:34,689 --> 01:23:32,030
who you know Hollywood loves the

1952
01:23:36,609 --> 01:23:34,699
scenario where the the guys in the ultra

1953
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:36,619
secret military organization or Intel

1954
01:23:39,970 --> 01:23:38,570
organization know the biggest darkest

1955
01:23:42,069 --> 01:23:39,980
secrets and of course the president

1956
01:23:44,709 --> 01:23:42,079
isn't told because he's not there as

1957
01:23:47,319 --> 01:23:44,719
long as these bureaucrats and I in my

1958
01:23:50,350 --> 01:23:47,329
experience being a federal employee you

1959
01:23:54,220 --> 01:23:50,360
know my humble experience I just that

1960
01:23:56,919 --> 01:23:54,230
one I don't buy I think that's one of

1961
01:23:58,720 --> 01:23:56,929
the many reasons why you see presidents

1962
01:24:01,209 --> 01:23:58,730
not doing certain things and in some

1963
01:24:04,419 --> 01:24:01,219
cases they alluded to if not promised in

1964
01:24:07,569 --> 01:24:04,429
their campaigns and usually specifically

1965
01:24:10,540 --> 01:24:07,579
that that UFO promise that some of them

1966
01:24:11,110 --> 01:24:10,550
kind of make and then they shut up and

1967
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:11,120
don't talk

1968
01:24:15,100 --> 01:24:13,370
after that hmm let's do a little math

1969
01:24:17,470 --> 01:24:15,110
here you got a guy who's running for

1970
01:24:19,210 --> 01:24:17,480
this high office and he says I'm gonna

1971
01:24:21,220 --> 01:24:19,220
tell everybody the truth about Roswell

1972
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:21,230
about UFOs and we're gonna get to the

1973
01:24:24,100 --> 01:24:22,610
bottom of this and make it public and

1974
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:24,110
then they never seem to do it

1975
01:24:28,390 --> 01:24:25,610
you never hear him talk about it again

1976
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:28,400
gosh I mean think about that folks

1977
01:24:33,430 --> 01:24:30,410
what does that tell you that does that

1978
01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:33,440
not indicate you know possibly I'm just

1979
01:24:39,010 --> 01:24:36,290
saying possibly maybe would that not

1980
01:24:40,530 --> 01:24:39,020
maybe imply that when they get into

1981
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:40,540
office and they're briefed on everything

1982
01:24:44,860 --> 01:24:42,650
that one of the things they're briefed

1983
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:44,870
on is whatever the truth is about that

1984
01:24:50,590 --> 01:24:48,530
issue and why it can't be talked about

1985
01:24:52,660 --> 01:24:50,600
I only President may remember that being

1986
01:24:57,100 --> 01:24:52,670
done wid that actually said that was

1987
01:25:00,430 --> 01:24:57,110
Jimmy Carter was elected yeah and then I

1988
01:25:03,130 --> 01:25:00,440
heard one of these stories specifically

1989
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:03,140
I think from Bill Moore that there was a

1990
01:25:07,480 --> 01:25:05,090
meeting some sort of meeting and he saw

1991
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:07,490
the notes from it basically they told

1992
01:25:12,790 --> 01:25:09,530
Carter was going on and he agreed it was

1993
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:12,800
more important than keeping to that big

1994
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:14,330
campaign promise because if somebody

1995
01:25:18,910 --> 01:25:16,130
brings that up on the campaign trail now

1996
01:25:20,620 --> 01:25:18,920
they're left out of the room I don't

1997
01:25:22,660 --> 01:25:20,630
think it's anything that to include in

1998
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:22,670
your in your platform when you're trying

1999
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:25,370
to get elected except for certain Ohio

2000
01:25:32,140 --> 01:25:28,130
congressman who his godmother or

2001
01:25:33,730 --> 01:25:32,150
something is Shirley MacLaine so yeah if

2002
01:25:35,470 --> 01:25:33,740
you want to find out more about it you

2003
01:25:38,020 --> 01:25:35,480
should either go to grant Cameron's

2004
01:25:40,510 --> 01:25:38,030
presidential UFO site or have grant on

2005
01:25:44,530 --> 01:25:40,520
have you had him on yet on her house no

2006
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:46,930
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2020
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:23,180
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2021
01:26:34,700 --> 01:26:32,160
by the way talking with co-host Greg

2022
01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:34,710
Bishop our guest is Walter Bosley and

2023
01:26:39,300 --> 01:26:37,449
we're certainly going way out there

2024
01:26:40,890 --> 01:26:39,310
trying to figure out a lot of things

2025
01:26:42,510 --> 01:26:40,900
that are going on also discussing

2026
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:42,520
disclosure of course there was that

2027
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:44,770
crazy statement that Ronald Reagan once

2028
01:26:49,169 --> 01:26:47,170
made right okay he made it more than

2029
01:26:50,820 --> 01:26:49,179
once actually he said alluded to that

2030
01:26:53,070 --> 01:26:50,830
like three different times while he was

2031
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:53,080
in office about the you you are talking

2032
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:54,250
about the if there's another

2033
01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:55,690
civilization we'd all have to band

2034
01:26:59,280 --> 01:26:56,770
together kind of thing

2035
01:27:02,370 --> 01:26:59,290
he clapped two on the phone at the time

2036
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:02,380
yes similar to MacArthur's farewell

2037
01:27:08,250 --> 01:27:05,290
address you know that gets brought up

2038
01:27:09,750 --> 01:27:08,260
occasionally that he said you know to

2039
01:27:11,939 --> 01:27:09,760
the guys at West Point that the

2040
01:27:13,950 --> 01:27:11,949
adversary in the new future the word be

2041
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:13,960
fighting would be a war with people from

2042
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:16,810
space and so it's kind of in that vein

2043
01:27:23,820 --> 01:27:20,650
and it does it makes you go wow gosh

2044
01:27:26,370 --> 01:27:23,830
what are we to think of this but whether

2045
01:27:29,580 --> 01:27:26,380
alluded to or not it's it's certainly

2046
01:27:32,399 --> 01:27:29,590
the the public is vocal about hey mister

2047
01:27:33,689 --> 01:27:32,409
new president more you know why don't

2048
01:27:35,669 --> 01:27:33,699
you tell us what's going on and of

2049
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:35,679
course in recent years Obama's the

2050
01:27:39,090 --> 01:27:37,449
disclosure president and you know the

2051
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:39,100
guy who was saying that constantly and

2052
01:27:44,550 --> 01:27:41,050
it hasn't happened yet and it's not

2053
01:27:45,660 --> 01:27:44,560
going to happen I don't think in that

2054
01:27:47,700 --> 01:27:45,670
way

2055
01:27:50,430 --> 01:27:47,710
III think whatever their personal

2056
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:50,440
interest is and I think it would be

2057
01:27:54,570 --> 01:27:52,330
natural that they might have a passing

2058
01:27:56,910 --> 01:27:54,580
interest at the very least I think these

2059
01:27:59,430 --> 01:27:56,920
presidents are told what it is and why

2060
01:28:03,090 --> 01:27:59,440
you know it's kept secret and like

2061
01:28:06,479 --> 01:28:03,100
Carter said they agree with it so this

2062
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:06,489
is my my thought on it at this point in

2063
01:28:12,660 --> 01:28:10,090
my life okay so is the effort towards

2064
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:12,670
disclosure always doomed to be a failure

2065
01:28:20,850 --> 01:28:18,850
I you know the one that's hard to answer

2066
01:28:24,870 --> 01:28:20,860
on the one hand you know you'd say well

2067
01:28:26,790 --> 01:28:24,880
no from from an awareness level to you

2068
01:28:28,770 --> 01:28:26,800
know general public awareness no they

2069
01:28:32,189 --> 01:28:28,780
should keep up the the requests you know

2070
01:28:35,399 --> 01:28:32,199
because that does let the leaders get

2071
01:28:37,260 --> 01:28:35,409
the test the waters measure the

2072
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:37,270
temperature the public's acceptance

2073
01:28:41,700 --> 01:28:39,850
okay the level of the ability to handle

2074
01:28:44,899 --> 01:28:41,710
this and accept it if it is true by the

2075
01:28:47,370 --> 01:28:44,909
way but as far as you know you're gonna

2076
01:28:49,140 --> 01:28:47,380
get a bunch of people to do a petition

2077
01:28:52,229 --> 01:28:49,150
and you're gonna compel you know any

2078
01:28:55,860 --> 01:28:52,239
president to say I yeah I really don't

2079
01:28:57,600 --> 01:28:55,870
see that happening I think that I'm one

2080
01:28:59,640 --> 01:28:57,610
of those who thinks disclosure will come

2081
01:29:03,840 --> 01:28:59,650
when those being hidden disclose

2082
01:29:06,149 --> 01:29:03,850
themselves when the ETS so to speak you

2083
01:29:07,530 --> 01:29:06,159
know say well okay we we don't we don't

2084
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:07,540
want to be secret anymore we don't need

2085
01:29:12,510 --> 01:29:09,730
to be secret you know and there you go

2086
01:29:15,149 --> 01:29:12,520
that's what I think that's assuming it's

2087
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:15,159
in a way that we can understand as

2088
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:18,130
contact with something else I don't know

2089
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:19,810
for it that at the point yet where we

2090
01:29:24,270 --> 01:29:22,330
can meet them on that on the same

2091
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:24,280
playing field what do you think Walter

2092
01:29:29,490 --> 01:29:26,170
what do you mean by that though that

2093
01:29:31,470 --> 01:29:29,500
same thing whatever they are or whatever

2094
01:29:34,979 --> 01:29:31,480
it is if they're you know and I'm pretty

2095
01:29:36,510 --> 01:29:34,989
sure there is some other you know you

2096
01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:36,520
know case could be made that they have

2097
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:38,170
revealed themselves to us and we can't

2098
01:29:41,580 --> 01:29:39,730
really and we're not really speaking the

2099
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:41,590
same language so we we just don't

2100
01:29:44,790 --> 01:29:42,370
acknowledge it

2101
01:29:46,530 --> 01:29:44,800
oh okay kind of like a dolphin trying to

2102
01:29:48,090 --> 01:29:46,540
talk to a human kind of thing it's like

2103
01:29:53,129 --> 01:29:48,100
we hear a bunch of squeaks they hear a

2104
01:29:55,530 --> 01:29:53,139
bunch of grunts you know yeah what do

2105
01:29:56,790 --> 01:29:55,540
you think of that idea well I think of

2106
01:29:58,020 --> 01:29:56,800
course if you know you look at the

2107
01:30:00,390 --> 01:29:58,030
possibilities of all the different

2108
01:30:01,620 --> 01:30:00,400
species yeah you probably but but I do

2109
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:01,630
want to say that I'm not one of those

2110
01:30:06,689 --> 01:30:03,610
that makes that other assumption that

2111
01:30:10,260 --> 01:30:06,699
way too many people I'd like to say that

2112
01:30:12,090 --> 01:30:10,270
again here way too many people make the

2113
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:12,100
assumption that just because a

2114
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:14,650
civilization can cross the stars that

2115
01:30:19,860 --> 01:30:18,010
they must be oh so much more advanced

2116
01:30:21,959 --> 01:30:19,870
than we are to a degree that we just

2117
01:30:26,010 --> 01:30:21,969
can't understand their technology and be

2118
01:30:29,629 --> 01:30:26,020
the other fallacy oh they must be

2119
01:30:32,550 --> 01:30:29,639
peaceful because only a peace-loving

2120
01:30:36,419 --> 01:30:32,560
civilization could achieve such advanced

2121
01:30:38,850 --> 01:30:36,429
technology when closed technology but

2122
01:30:41,700 --> 01:30:38,860
great deal of it advances because of war

2123
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:41,710
I so I I just I almost laugh at that one

2124
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:43,210
the assumption that you know they're

2125
01:30:46,410 --> 01:30:44,770
peace-loving and the assumption that

2126
01:30:48,300 --> 01:30:46,420
they're also much more advanced and we

2127
01:30:51,030 --> 01:30:48,310
are I think they're civilizations out

2128
01:30:53,130 --> 01:30:51,040
there that are just maybe a little bit

2129
01:30:55,350 --> 01:30:53,140
ahead of us and well he's also the

2130
01:30:58,590 --> 01:30:55,360
another possibility - and maybe I'm

2131
01:31:02,250 --> 01:30:58,600
taking this idea from the Stargate TV

2132
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:02,260
series okay where there is evidence of

2133
01:31:07,410 --> 01:31:04,090
an ancient civilization not here anymore

2134
01:31:09,450 --> 01:31:07,420
and we use their spaceships but you know

2135
01:31:12,180 --> 01:31:09,460
nothing more except how to run them

2136
01:31:14,850 --> 01:31:12,190
right or make wires or maybe it's self

2137
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:14,860
repairing which which has the Stargate

2138
01:31:19,590 --> 01:31:16,570
what you just how you just described

2139
01:31:22,650 --> 01:31:19,600
Stargate has an actual historical

2140
01:31:25,470 --> 01:31:22,660
precedent in that this is what the

2141
01:31:27,690 --> 01:31:25,480
Germans were messing around with during

2142
01:31:31,830 --> 01:31:27,700
the world war two era that they had

2143
01:31:33,510 --> 01:31:31,840
gleaned from ancient Hindu texts like

2144
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:33,520
the Mahabharata talking about the

2145
01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:35,650
Vimanas it's their folks I mean they

2146
01:31:41,070 --> 01:31:38,650
they you know exactly what you described

2147
01:31:42,480 --> 01:31:41,080
an ancient civilization that is no

2148
01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:42,490
longer with us that had advanced

2149
01:31:46,470 --> 01:31:44,650
technology and somebody in our own time

2150
01:31:49,350 --> 01:31:46,480
is just saying hey look at this let's

2151
01:31:50,340 --> 01:31:49,360
try this and I'm saying very basically

2152
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:50,350
that's what they were doing there were

2153
01:31:56,070 --> 01:31:53,530
people before the Nazi regime in the

2154
01:31:56,820 --> 01:31:56,080
late 1800s in the early 1900s prior to

2155
01:31:58,230 --> 01:31:56,830
World War two

2156
01:31:59,820 --> 01:31:58,240
who were doing this stuff viktor

2157
01:32:01,380 --> 01:31:59,830
schauberger was the german who was doing

2158
01:32:02,850 --> 01:32:01,390
it but you had Tesla that was messing

2159
01:32:06,110 --> 01:32:02,860
around with some of this stuff it

2160
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:06,120
started in the mid-1800s with Keeley

2161
01:32:10,860 --> 01:32:09,130
again all controversial not being

2162
01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:10,870
controversial with some type of measure

2163
01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:13,690
of criteria to be discussed and guess

2164
01:32:22,470 --> 01:32:17,250
what we'd be listening to dead air so

2165
01:32:25,500 --> 01:32:22,480
the point is there there is a historical

2166
01:32:27,150 --> 01:32:25,510
precedent whether you accept it or not

2167
01:32:30,420 --> 01:32:27,160
whether you agree with it or believe it

2168
01:32:32,790 --> 01:32:30,430
or not it is there the the Stargate

2169
01:32:34,770 --> 01:32:32,800
theory but you you just brought out that

2170
01:32:37,110 --> 01:32:34,780
you know some some very old stuff is

2171
01:32:39,540 --> 01:32:37,120
just being used and we know how to use

2172
01:32:41,730 --> 01:32:39,550
it you know we we know how to fly it

2173
01:32:44,550 --> 01:32:41,740
maybe we're still figuring out the the

2174
01:32:46,500 --> 01:32:44,560
finer points of the technology but we've

2175
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:46,510
got it working I mean look at it this

2176
01:32:51,030 --> 01:32:49,570
way in the early jet age we were fooling

2177
01:32:52,950 --> 01:32:51,040
around enough with jet engines where we

2178
01:32:56,130 --> 01:32:52,960
started flying these things around but

2179
01:32:58,170 --> 01:32:56,140
has jet technology you know not you know

2180
01:33:01,140 --> 01:32:58,180
advanced in some increments over the

2181
01:33:04,260 --> 01:33:01,150
years we're using it duh yes it has I

2182
01:33:06,509 --> 01:33:04,270
mean you know jet to a modern jet engine

2183
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:06,519
is more advanced than a jet engine

2184
01:33:12,689 --> 01:33:08,650
more developed in a jet than a jet

2185
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:12,699
engine from you know 1950 so why not you

2186
01:33:17,189 --> 01:33:15,010
know you take the ancient description of

2187
01:33:18,750 --> 01:33:17,199
this technology and you'd mess with it

2188
01:33:20,759 --> 01:33:18,760
enough to get it working to get it

2189
01:33:22,470 --> 01:33:20,769
operable and then over the years of

2190
01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:22,480
course you understand it better you you

2191
01:33:26,700 --> 01:33:24,610
you you make it better you're able to do

2192
01:33:28,919 --> 01:33:26,710
it better so you know anyway those are

2193
01:33:32,279 --> 01:33:28,929
my thoughts on that okay so it's one

2194
01:33:34,770 --> 01:33:32,289
possible answer certainly also we could

2195
01:33:36,830 --> 01:33:34,780
have had civilizations here that became

2196
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:36,840
spacefaring and then for whatever reason

2197
01:33:41,279 --> 01:33:39,489
they disappeared and they're coming back

2198
01:33:44,669 --> 01:33:41,289
to visit us now because they came from

2199
01:33:45,779 --> 01:33:44,679
here yeah is is there not an ancient I

2200
01:33:48,029 --> 01:33:45,789
think it's one of the books of the

2201
01:33:50,939 --> 01:33:48,039
Apocrypha but Enoch of the Bible I

2202
01:33:53,299 --> 01:33:50,949
believe is the one who built the city

2203
01:33:57,779 --> 01:33:53,309
that you know lifted up into the stars

2204
01:34:00,810 --> 01:33:57,789
some people some people not me have

2205
01:34:03,060 --> 01:34:00,820
pointed to that story when they're

2206
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:03,070
trying to say maybe at one time there

2207
01:34:08,129 --> 01:34:05,050
was an advanced civilization on the moon

2208
01:34:10,169 --> 01:34:08,139
maybe this legend of Enoch building his

2209
01:34:12,750 --> 01:34:10,179
city that lifted from the planet into

2210
01:34:14,879 --> 01:34:12,760
the sky maybe it was that was some type

2211
01:34:17,069 --> 01:34:14,889
of technology a ship or something that

2212
01:34:19,350 --> 01:34:17,079
went to the moon you know I'm just

2213
01:34:21,689 --> 01:34:19,360
saying that's a possibility that others

2214
01:34:23,879 --> 01:34:21,699
have pointed out and this is just one

2215
01:34:26,790 --> 01:34:23,889
example of these things when we say the

2216
01:34:29,790 --> 01:34:26,800
lore throughout history talks about

2217
01:34:32,759 --> 01:34:29,800
things like this so you look close

2218
01:34:34,830 --> 01:34:32,769
enough and it is there these things I

2219
01:34:36,629 --> 01:34:34,840
found most of the people that just write

2220
01:34:39,180 --> 01:34:36,639
it off they want to write it off it

2221
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:39,190
doesn't fit their you know their it's

2222
01:34:41,819 --> 01:34:40,690
not their pet theory so they really

2223
01:34:43,799 --> 01:34:41,829
don't want to hear anything else and not

2224
01:34:45,149 --> 01:34:43,809
everybody's that way there's someone

2225
01:34:48,060 --> 01:34:45,159
also it also may be the ultimate

2226
01:34:50,129 --> 01:34:48,070
Rorschach blot where people are gonna

2227
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:50,139
put the meaning on that they want to and

2228
01:34:54,899 --> 01:34:53,050
especially with UFOs finding information

2229
01:34:57,959 --> 01:34:54,909
and the evidence that supports whatever

2230
01:34:59,970 --> 01:34:57,969
their preconception is right the other

2231
01:35:02,339 --> 01:34:59,980
possibility when Walter was saying about

2232
01:35:04,410 --> 01:35:02,349
warlike and not warlike and afraid above

2233
01:35:06,779 --> 01:35:04,420
head of us or behind us you know my

2234
01:35:10,129 --> 01:35:06,789
favorite quote which I repeat endlessly

2235
01:35:13,319 --> 01:35:10,139
is that maybe they're off to the side

2236
01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:13,329
yes and we just know we don't you know

2237
01:35:18,780 --> 01:35:16,449
their method of dealing with us and with

2238
01:35:21,300 --> 01:35:18,790
each other is completely different than

2239
01:35:23,070 --> 01:35:21,310
we do with power and I've got more power

2240
01:35:24,630 --> 01:35:23,080
than you or I've got this or that and

2241
01:35:26,910 --> 01:35:24,640
you don't have this and therefore I come

2242
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:26,920
in on top they they may completely opt

2243
01:35:31,940 --> 01:35:29,290
out of that in ways that we haven't been

2244
01:35:34,380 --> 01:35:31,950
able to describe or or think about yet

2245
01:35:36,180 --> 01:35:34,390
possibly Greg makes a very good point

2246
01:35:37,440 --> 01:35:36,190
yeah well we've talked about this on the

2247
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:37,450
show I'm sorry I should be interviewing

2248
01:35:41,550 --> 01:35:39,850
Walter but I hope it's spring into it

2249
01:35:42,930 --> 01:35:41,560
Walter and I talking about stuff and

2250
01:35:45,150 --> 01:35:42,940
throwing ideas around

2251
01:35:48,300 --> 01:35:45,160
yeah but consider this to that you know

2252
01:35:50,670 --> 01:35:48,310
you two have a history of discussing

2253
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:50,680
these things and a lot of the listeners

2254
01:35:55,380 --> 01:35:53,410
to this show maybe aren't aware of that

2255
01:35:57,600 --> 01:35:55,390
history so you kind of have to ask the

2256
01:35:59,490 --> 01:35:57,610
questions again and maybe go from there

2257
01:36:01,290 --> 01:35:59,500
well that's why I was bringing it up I

2258
01:36:04,170 --> 01:36:01,300
mean I yes I shoe I should be asking

2259
01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:04,180
Walter questions but I thought well gene

2260
01:36:08,070 --> 01:36:05,890
hasn't talked to him nearly as much so

2261
01:36:10,590 --> 01:36:08,080
maybe I can clarify or bring something

2262
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:10,600
up or say you know Walter light and I

2263
01:36:14,550 --> 01:36:12,610
have considered this before and we've

2264
01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:14,560
gone down this tributary a little bit

2265
01:36:18,180 --> 01:36:16,690
and we've got some good response from it

2266
01:36:21,510 --> 01:36:18,190
and if nothing else you know it's it's

2267
01:36:24,120 --> 01:36:21,520
there out on the table waiting for more

2268
01:36:25,950 --> 01:36:24,130
evidence or at least it was just fun

2269
01:36:27,540 --> 01:36:25,960
talking about it I mean that's that's

2270
01:36:29,790 --> 01:36:27,550
basically what a lot of this paranormal

2271
01:36:31,620 --> 01:36:29,800
UFO stuff is and you're playing with

2272
01:36:34,230 --> 01:36:31,630
ideas because there's no real way you're

2273
01:36:36,990 --> 01:36:34,240
gonna bring something in a lab or make a

2274
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:37,000
reproducible phenomenon or whatever it's

2275
01:36:41,190 --> 01:36:38,650
just it's it's it's more of a

2276
01:36:42,540 --> 01:36:41,200
philosophical discussion they think you

2277
01:36:44,430 --> 01:36:42,550
know you you you bring up a good

2278
01:36:47,970 --> 01:36:44,440
direction that I think we should go in

2279
01:36:50,190 --> 01:36:47,980
the remaining time and that is that I'd

2280
01:36:53,670 --> 01:36:50,200
like to say speaking for myself my

2281
01:36:56,370 --> 01:36:53,680
position on how much I want anyone to

2282
01:37:00,360 --> 01:36:56,380
believe what I'm saying or my experience

2283
01:37:03,180 --> 01:37:00,370
have chain has changed the more I have

2284
01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:03,190
experienced certain things now the less

2285
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:05,970
important to me it has become that

2286
01:37:13,350 --> 01:37:09,010
people necessary be necessarily believe

2287
01:37:16,380 --> 01:37:13,360
me I I can't because some of the most

2288
01:37:18,510 --> 01:37:16,390
extraordinary experiences they evade the

2289
01:37:20,970 --> 01:37:18,520
ability to capture the the evidence

2290
01:37:23,160 --> 01:37:20,980
that's going to convince you know the

2291
01:37:26,160 --> 01:37:23,170
people that demand the evidence and I

2292
01:37:29,430 --> 01:37:26,170
I've come to the conclusion that that's

2293
01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:29,440
not what matters I realized that Wow you

2294
01:37:33,220 --> 01:37:30,650
know some of this

2295
01:37:34,060 --> 01:37:33,230
might indeed be me intended for me

2296
01:37:36,910 --> 01:37:34,070
personally

2297
01:37:39,430 --> 01:37:36,920
not that it's any less real but you know

2298
01:37:41,410 --> 01:37:39,440
I I won't argue that it you know I

2299
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:41,420
already know what I think about that but

2300
01:37:47,410 --> 01:37:44,810
it it's interesting I realize well if my

2301
01:37:50,530 --> 01:37:47,420
experience is showing me something

2302
01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:50,540
that's intended for me it doesn't matter

2303
01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:52,370
what other people think of it or whether

2304
01:37:56,470 --> 01:37:54,650
they believe it or not they did you know

2305
01:37:59,709 --> 01:37:56,480
I'm left with well you're missing out

2306
01:38:01,840 --> 01:37:59,719
you know you're just you're just missing

2307
01:38:05,439 --> 01:38:01,850
out okay but that's your choice you know

2308
01:38:09,820 --> 01:38:05,449
oh well and and I'm really much more to

2309
01:38:12,540 --> 01:38:09,830
a to an oh well point than I ever was

2310
01:38:16,630 --> 01:38:12,550
it's really interleaving really why

2311
01:38:19,660 --> 01:38:16,640
because what I'm getting out of it is

2312
01:38:24,580 --> 01:38:19,670
far more valuable than convincing a

2313
01:38:28,209 --> 01:38:24,590
complete stranger that it's real the

2314
01:38:31,510 --> 01:38:28,219
insight the things I'm led to and I will

2315
01:38:34,810 --> 01:38:31,520
say this to the things I'm led to that

2316
01:38:37,870 --> 01:38:34,820
I'm able to produce evidence for that's

2317
01:38:40,300 --> 01:38:37,880
the most fascinating aspect of this it

2318
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:40,310
gives me insight it leads me to things

2319
01:38:50,040 --> 01:38:44,810
that are provable an example some of the

2320
01:38:57,010 --> 01:38:50,050
things that I've started writing about

2321
01:38:59,410 --> 01:38:57,020
I've come to them initially through some

2322
01:39:03,340 --> 01:38:59,420
of these insights and they are things

2323
01:39:05,620 --> 01:39:03,350
that are down-to-earth facts that I have

2324
01:39:08,830 --> 01:39:05,630
been able to correlate as you will see

2325
01:39:11,100 --> 01:39:08,840
I'm able to corroborate with you know

2326
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:11,110
documented you know type of evidence

2327
01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:14,090
that isn't that interesting well it

2328
01:39:17,830 --> 01:39:15,890
sounds like how a lot of people come up

2329
01:39:19,689 --> 01:39:17,840
with ideas or inventions it's just

2330
01:39:23,110 --> 01:39:19,699
specifically Tesla used to say that even

2331
01:39:24,760 --> 01:39:23,120
they would just appear to him and he

2332
01:39:26,200 --> 01:39:24,770
didn't know why and then suddenly you

2333
01:39:29,380 --> 01:39:26,210
know he'd put him down on paper and

2334
01:39:32,189 --> 01:39:29,390
build them and they'd work mm-hmm mm-hmm

2335
01:39:34,689 --> 01:39:32,199
or you know or the or the what is it the

2336
01:39:36,820 --> 01:39:34,699
chemical formula for benzene or

2337
01:39:39,370 --> 01:39:36,830
something like that was that was seen in

2338
01:39:40,629 --> 01:39:39,380
a dream because I had who was it I can't

2339
01:39:43,149 --> 01:39:40,639
remember science had a dream about

2340
01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:43,159
snakes swallowing their tails and

2341
01:39:49,649 --> 01:39:46,610
the idea of the molecule being connected

2342
01:39:52,510 --> 01:39:49,659
as in a circular pattern but but yeah

2343
01:39:55,720 --> 01:39:52,520
exactly what you're saying yeah but I

2344
01:39:58,510 --> 01:39:55,730
want to add on there that a couple of

2345
01:40:00,250 --> 01:39:58,520
things that some people might say that

2346
01:40:02,410 --> 01:40:00,260
well that might be some type of

2347
01:40:04,530 --> 01:40:02,420
archetypal you know symbolism that your

2348
01:40:09,970 --> 01:40:04,540
subconscious is doing to lead you to the

2349
01:40:11,680 --> 01:40:09,980
conscious actual thing sorry I'm talking

2350
01:40:12,970 --> 01:40:11,690
about you know something you know I'm

2351
01:40:15,070 --> 01:40:12,980
given an insight through an

2352
01:40:17,169 --> 01:40:15,080
extraordinary experience and then it

2353
01:40:19,510 --> 01:40:17,179
points to something that is very

2354
01:40:21,310 --> 01:40:19,520
down-to-earth and then I that I never

2355
01:40:23,439 --> 01:40:21,320
would have known before that I that I

2356
01:40:26,050 --> 01:40:23,449
was overlooking or I just wasn't aware

2357
01:40:27,669 --> 01:40:26,060
of it's like opening a book in the

2358
01:40:28,870 --> 01:40:27,679
middle and you know jumping in kind of

2359
01:40:31,060 --> 01:40:28,880
thing and then going back and forward

2360
01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:31,070
and you find what supports what you just

2361
01:40:35,470 --> 01:40:33,530
read on that page you know but the other

2362
01:40:36,729 --> 01:40:35,480
thing is this that I want to throw out

2363
01:40:38,830 --> 01:40:36,739
there and this is this is what I've

2364
01:40:41,140 --> 01:40:38,840
learned and that is I've mentioned in

2365
01:40:44,410 --> 01:40:41,150
the past maybe a couple of times and

2366
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:44,420
that's this old phrase the admonition of

2367
01:40:51,669 --> 01:40:49,610
Isis and that is when when I'm speaking

2368
01:40:53,950 --> 01:40:51,679
symbolically here when she the truth

2369
01:40:56,860 --> 01:40:53,960
whatever reveals her face to you her

2370
01:40:59,919 --> 01:40:56,870
admonition is tell no one and I'm

2371
01:41:04,600 --> 01:40:59,929
beginning for me I'm under I think I'm

2372
01:41:06,040 --> 01:41:04,610
understanding why tell no one the

2373
01:41:10,479 --> 01:41:06,050
obvious is because everyone will say

2374
01:41:12,580 --> 01:41:10,489
you're a nut the other thing is you

2375
01:41:14,470 --> 01:41:12,590
you've come to something through your

2376
01:41:17,979 --> 01:41:14,480
own work your own toil your own

2377
01:41:21,459 --> 01:41:17,989
investigation you're under no obligation

2378
01:41:24,100 --> 01:41:21,469
to just lay it all out for the next guy

2379
01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:24,110
who doesn't want to do his own work and

2380
01:41:28,180 --> 01:41:27,050
and I were as before I was yeah I'll

2381
01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:28,190
have all these experience and I'll tell

2382
01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:29,330
you all about them and it'll illuminate

2383
01:41:33,550 --> 01:41:31,730
you and and I've come to the point now

2384
01:41:36,370 --> 01:41:33,560
where it's like oh you really want to

2385
01:41:38,709 --> 01:41:36,380
know you really want the proof you

2386
01:41:41,470 --> 01:41:38,719
really want evidence so that you can

2387
01:41:44,169 --> 01:41:41,480
believe it and accept it well you get

2388
01:41:45,790 --> 01:41:44,179
out there and you do what I've done or

2389
01:41:47,470 --> 01:41:45,800
you know go on your own path to the

2390
01:41:49,870 --> 01:41:47,480
extent you know the things I or other

2391
01:41:52,750 --> 01:41:49,880
people that have done and and you know

2392
01:41:56,280 --> 01:41:52,760
see what you get and because you know

2393
01:41:58,650 --> 01:41:56,290
for me you know what's revealed to

2394
01:42:00,210 --> 01:41:58,660
for me is is intended for me and what

2395
01:42:02,940 --> 01:42:00,220
you'll get out of it is intended for you

2396
01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:02,950
and I'm not saying this in a allegorical

2397
01:42:06,540 --> 01:42:05,050
well it's not real it's all mental no no

2398
01:42:09,390 --> 01:42:06,550
no I don't believe that I believe it's

2399
01:42:10,920 --> 01:42:09,400
real well you all have to go through the

2400
01:42:14,280 --> 01:42:10,930
separate journeys what you're saying

2401
01:42:22,680 --> 01:42:14,290
yes exactly okay where we go to the

2402
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:22,690
final journey for 58 years fate has

2403
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2404
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2405
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2406
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2407
01:42:36,840 --> 01:42:34,630
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2408
01:42:39,330 --> 01:42:36,850
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2409
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2410
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2411
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2412
01:43:12,050 --> 01:43:09,240
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2413
01:43:15,279 --> 01:43:12,060
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2414
01:43:19,209 --> 01:43:15,289
[Music]

2415
01:43:21,879 --> 01:43:19,219
Walter Bosley Greg Bishop Greg's our

2416
01:43:24,700 --> 01:43:21,889
co-host Walters back and we're taking a

2417
01:43:26,859 --> 01:43:24,710
journey other than the things that you

2418
01:43:29,859 --> 01:43:26,869
can only understand through your own

2419
01:43:31,959 --> 01:43:29,869
personal journey are there bits and

2420
01:43:33,609 --> 01:43:31,969
pieces of evidence you can convey to us

2421
01:43:35,589 --> 01:43:33,619
about any of these things certainly we

2422
01:43:37,180 --> 01:43:35,599
talked about the lunar mysteries we can

2423
01:43:40,569 --> 01:43:37,190
look into Hoagland believe them or not

2424
01:43:42,879 --> 01:43:40,579
and you know a lot of people just don't

2425
01:43:44,319 --> 01:43:42,889
and some people do believe but are there

2426
01:43:46,810 --> 01:43:44,329
other things where you can say here's

2427
01:43:48,970 --> 01:43:46,820
the tidbits of evidence look it over and

2428
01:43:50,950 --> 01:43:48,980
you'll see some indication of what's

2429
01:43:53,140 --> 01:43:50,960
going on certainly with UFO cases we

2430
01:43:54,850 --> 01:43:53,150
have thousands of cases to go through so

2431
01:44:00,790 --> 01:43:54,860
okay is that part of what you're getting

2432
01:44:03,100 --> 01:44:00,800
at can you put that more succinctly like

2433
01:44:05,529 --> 01:44:03,110
like what if you're saying what I'm

2434
01:44:08,049 --> 01:44:05,539
saying okay here's the point there are

2435
01:44:11,080 --> 01:44:08,059
obviously things that we can all look at

2436
01:44:13,359 --> 01:44:11,090
and regions about right could look at

2437
01:44:15,430 --> 01:44:13,369
theories about anomalies on the Moon and

2438
01:44:17,620 --> 01:44:15,440
Mars yeah and there's several out there

2439
01:44:19,120 --> 01:44:17,630
not just Hoagland I understand that and

2440
01:44:21,819 --> 01:44:19,130
those are things we want to explore in

2441
01:44:23,770 --> 01:44:21,829
further detail sure future episodes okay

2442
01:44:25,689 --> 01:44:23,780
we could look into the stories of

2443
01:44:28,569 --> 01:44:25,699
Roswell plenty of books out there plenty

2444
01:44:31,660 --> 01:44:28,579
of versions from Nazis to mogul balloons

2445
01:44:34,899 --> 01:44:31,670
to et to crypto terrestrials your

2446
01:44:36,879 --> 01:44:34,909
father's remembrances the civilization

2447
01:44:40,359 --> 01:44:36,889
beneath the earth the DeRose a pterosaur

2448
01:44:42,759 --> 01:44:40,369
put out there now obviously there are

2449
01:44:45,279 --> 01:44:42,769
other things where you take all this you

2450
01:44:48,390 --> 01:44:45,289
have a lifetime of experiences and then

2451
01:44:52,359 --> 01:44:48,400
you come to an understanding that maybe

2452
01:44:54,549 --> 01:44:52,369
you can experience but you can't tell us

2453
01:44:56,890 --> 01:44:54,559
you know what you can't tell someone

2454
01:45:01,180 --> 01:44:56,900
once said that yeah yeah well because

2455
01:45:03,129 --> 01:45:01,190
there's certain things that the you know

2456
01:45:04,600 --> 01:45:03,139
my position is such that there's certain

2457
01:45:07,120 --> 01:45:04,610
things that a you're not going to be

2458
01:45:09,310 --> 01:45:07,130
believed I mean you know look look at

2459
01:45:11,919 --> 01:45:09,320
how you know the one or two things I've

2460
01:45:13,209 --> 01:45:11,929
said you know has been reacted to you

2461
01:45:15,339 --> 01:45:13,219
know there's just people are just gonna

2462
01:45:17,080 --> 01:45:15,349
say oh well they're ba you know they get

2463
01:45:19,270 --> 01:45:17,090
all worked up there just so first of all

2464
01:45:20,439 --> 01:45:19,280
you know mostly there's a lot of people

2465
01:45:22,600 --> 01:45:20,449
out there that just flat-out aren't

2466
01:45:24,279 --> 01:45:22,610
gonna believe it and then you know there

2467
01:45:25,990 --> 01:45:24,289
are those who would be open to it but

2468
01:45:29,050 --> 01:45:26,000
they still you know need evidence well

2469
01:45:31,450 --> 01:45:29,060
you you just can't capture evidence in

2470
01:45:34,120 --> 01:45:31,460
you can't explain it sufficiently enough

2471
01:45:35,740 --> 01:45:34,130
and I believe that the the phenomena

2472
01:45:37,930 --> 01:45:35,750
what's driving these phenomena these

2473
01:45:42,340 --> 01:45:37,940
experiences of doing that on purpose

2474
01:45:45,460 --> 01:45:42,350
because it wants interaction it wants

2475
01:45:48,010 --> 01:45:45,470
personal interaction basically in some

2476
01:45:50,080 --> 01:45:48,020
ways I have more respect for an atheist

2477
01:45:52,030 --> 01:45:50,090
than an agnostics and I'm speaking in

2478
01:45:54,040 --> 01:45:52,040
very general basic terms here to make a

2479
01:45:56,380 --> 01:45:54,050
point and that is at least the atheist

2480
01:45:57,670 --> 01:45:56,390
isn't sitting on the damn fence you know

2481
01:46:00,340 --> 01:45:57,680
when I hear somebody say well I've been

2482
01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:00,350
a lifelong agnostic oh whoa what are you

2483
01:46:04,450 --> 01:46:03,050
gonna make up your mind you know you

2484
01:46:06,700 --> 01:46:04,460
know when you're really going to commit

2485
01:46:09,370 --> 01:46:06,710
to to really trying to find that answer

2486
01:46:10,630 --> 01:46:09,380
for yourself and you can be that way in

2487
01:46:12,580 --> 01:46:10,640
in this stuff too

2488
01:46:15,370 --> 01:46:12,590
it's okay so being an agnostic is a

2489
01:46:17,440 --> 01:46:15,380
compound very agnostic that's a gap

2490
01:46:19,630 --> 01:46:17,450
because you're saying it goes author

2491
01:46:21,190 --> 01:46:19,640
figuring it out yeah if it goes on too

2492
01:46:22,810 --> 01:46:21,200
long that it's what it amounts to is

2493
01:46:25,150 --> 01:46:22,820
just a cop-out and my point is that

2494
01:46:27,580 --> 01:46:25,160
whatever is driving is phenomena it

2495
01:46:30,540 --> 01:46:27,590
wants interaction it wants to show

2496
01:46:32,980 --> 01:46:30,550
itself and manifest itself to you so

2497
01:46:34,840 --> 01:46:32,990
quit sitting there reading the books or

2498
01:46:37,750 --> 01:46:34,850
you know just listening to guys like us

2499
01:46:39,600 --> 01:46:37,760
on podcasts or going in the forums and

2500
01:46:43,300 --> 01:46:39,610
you know pissing on everybody's parade

2501
01:46:45,970 --> 01:46:43,310
they you know get out there and you know

2502
01:46:47,980 --> 01:46:45,980
make a serious honest attempt there's

2503
01:46:49,840 --> 01:46:47,990
the other problem some people claim that

2504
01:46:52,510 --> 01:46:49,850
they and they're not being honest

2505
01:46:55,390 --> 01:46:52,520
they're not making an honest attempt

2506
01:46:58,300 --> 01:46:55,400
because even if somebody comes back and

2507
01:47:00,190 --> 01:46:58,310
they don't experience you know what you

2508
01:47:02,470 --> 01:47:00,200
experienced or maybe they don't

2509
01:47:04,840 --> 01:47:02,480
experience anything at that time you can

2510
01:47:08,890 --> 01:47:04,850
your gut meter your intuition will tell

2511
01:47:10,510 --> 01:47:08,900
you if they've given it an honest try as

2512
01:47:11,710 --> 01:47:10,520
opposed to the person that just says all

2513
01:47:13,750 --> 01:47:11,720
I went out there and did this and

2514
01:47:16,180 --> 01:47:13,760
nothing happened hahaha you're you know

2515
01:47:18,070 --> 01:47:16,190
you're an idiot well you know my

2516
01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:18,080
experience with the human race is that

2517
01:47:22,030 --> 01:47:20,570
that person very likely did not give it

2518
01:47:23,800 --> 01:47:22,040
the honest try because they were

2519
01:47:25,570 --> 01:47:23,810
predisposed that nothing was going to

2520
01:47:27,070 --> 01:47:25,580
happen and and you know I don't really I

2521
01:47:28,330 --> 01:47:27,080
don't like to get in discussions with

2522
01:47:30,250 --> 01:47:28,340
people like that because that's just

2523
01:47:33,070 --> 01:47:30,260
mental masturbation and people that are

2524
01:47:35,230 --> 01:47:33,080
just really into logic turns them on and

2525
01:47:37,750 --> 01:47:35,240
so you're saying but he's saying also

2526
01:47:38,470 --> 01:47:37,760
that if you expect nothing's going to

2527
01:47:40,660 --> 01:47:38,480
happen if

2528
01:47:43,300 --> 01:47:40,670
probably won't there you go why should

2529
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:43,310
it why should it you know why we've

2530
01:47:47,710 --> 01:47:45,770
learned their belief system upside down

2531
01:47:49,360 --> 01:47:47,720
wouldn't it go but but what I'm saying

2532
01:47:51,430 --> 01:47:49,370
is if you're if you're the entity and

2533
01:47:53,740 --> 01:47:51,440
the person is so it think about it it

2534
01:47:56,320 --> 01:47:53,750
must be really entertaining to let's say

2535
01:47:57,610 --> 01:47:56,330
let's say for the point of my example

2536
01:47:59,290 --> 01:47:57,620
the ending you know let's say you accept

2537
01:48:02,620 --> 01:47:59,300
the fact that the entity is real right

2538
01:48:04,570 --> 01:48:02,630
well you know who's to say it's not

2539
01:48:06,850 --> 01:48:04,580
entertaining to watch some human being

2540
01:48:08,200 --> 01:48:06,860
so damn smug in their ignorance so it's

2541
01:48:09,940 --> 01:48:08,210
like I'm not gonna show myself to you

2542
01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:09,950
screw you because you're not going to

2543
01:48:13,390 --> 01:48:11,930
appreciate it you're not going to

2544
01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:13,400
appreciate what I'm going to show you

2545
01:48:18,910 --> 01:48:15,770
and give you you're gonna question it

2546
01:48:22,090 --> 01:48:18,920
you're gonna try to explain it away in a

2547
01:48:23,740 --> 01:48:22,100
way that you know it just isn't the

2548
01:48:25,330 --> 01:48:23,750
truth but it makes you more comfortable

2549
01:48:27,100 --> 01:48:25,340
well sometimes you have to explain it

2550
01:48:29,470 --> 01:48:27,110
away because sometimes it deserves to be

2551
01:48:31,510 --> 01:48:29,480
explained away whoa okay give me an

2552
01:48:33,130 --> 01:48:31,520
example you said sometimes that's not

2553
01:48:35,229 --> 01:48:33,140
every time and that's you know of course

2554
01:48:37,960 --> 01:48:35,239
I'm saying certain events are not real

2555
01:48:39,310 --> 01:48:37,970
there are misinterpretations whatever so

2556
01:48:42,010 --> 01:48:39,320
you explain them away well this is

2557
01:48:44,380 --> 01:48:42,020
conventional you know this is an anomaly

2558
01:48:46,390 --> 01:48:44,390
or this is a conventional thing well

2559
01:48:47,830 --> 01:48:46,400
well it's really the planet Mars I

2560
01:48:50,380 --> 01:48:47,840
didn't look at it right and that's where

2561
01:48:53,170 --> 01:48:50,390
it is or Venus okay yeah yeah you're

2562
01:48:56,110 --> 01:48:53,180
right but but a lot of times the people

2563
01:48:58,240 --> 01:48:56,120
that you know very accurately explained

2564
01:49:00,460 --> 01:48:58,250
something a way that was a mistake

2565
01:49:02,710 --> 01:49:00,470
therefore because they do that at one

2566
01:49:05,200 --> 01:49:02,720
time in that instance therefore they

2567
01:49:06,760 --> 01:49:05,210
apply that then to everything else there

2568
01:49:08,200 --> 01:49:06,770
are people out there that do that and

2569
01:49:11,620 --> 01:49:08,210
that's those are the people I'm talking

2570
01:49:12,700 --> 01:49:11,630
about that are predisposed you know you

2571
01:49:14,890 --> 01:49:12,710
know they want to sell the baby out with

2572
01:49:17,170 --> 01:49:14,900
the bathwater hey Walter before you came

2573
01:49:20,580 --> 01:49:17,180
on Jean asked me what my position was on

2574
01:49:23,440 --> 01:49:20,590
the UFO thing and what I said was I'm

2575
01:49:24,729 --> 01:49:23,450
exceedingly agnostic I still haven't

2576
01:49:26,530 --> 01:49:24,739
figured it out and I don't know if I

2577
01:49:29,410 --> 01:49:26,540
ever will and I probably actually don't

2578
01:49:34,060 --> 01:49:29,420
really care so by what by what you said

2579
01:49:37,330 --> 01:49:34,070
I'm copping out well Greg I still

2580
01:49:40,050 --> 01:49:37,340
knowing you personally I think you care

2581
01:49:43,300 --> 01:49:40,060
more than you consciously feel right now

2582
01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:43,310
and oh well I do care I would care to

2583
01:49:47,920 --> 01:49:45,530
figure out what was going on but it's

2584
01:49:49,640 --> 01:49:47,930
far more importantly that I think you

2585
01:49:51,800 --> 01:49:49,650
have the same feeling the

2586
01:49:53,120 --> 01:49:51,810
I learn along the way in trying to

2587
01:49:54,560 --> 01:49:53,130
figure out whether there's something

2588
01:49:57,020 --> 01:49:54,570
real there or not or what the

2589
01:49:59,240 --> 01:49:57,030
explanation is is far more valuable to

2590
01:50:02,149 --> 01:49:59,250
me personally than what that explanation

2591
01:50:04,339 --> 01:50:02,159
might be or the answer is yeah Greg this

2592
01:50:06,890 --> 01:50:04,349
way Greg you're saying at least you're

2593
01:50:08,899 --> 01:50:06,900
making the effort yeah you might be

2594
01:50:10,490 --> 01:50:08,909
agnostic about the result but you're

2595
01:50:12,050 --> 01:50:10,500
making an effort to find out it's not

2596
01:50:13,669 --> 01:50:12,060
the same thing saying I don't know what

2597
01:50:15,290 --> 01:50:13,679
it is I don't care I'm not going to

2598
01:50:16,550 --> 01:50:15,300
explore it further there there's always

2599
01:50:18,560 --> 01:50:16,560
an exception and there's always a

2600
01:50:20,899 --> 01:50:18,570
qualifier to say I see what you mean

2601
01:50:23,180 --> 01:50:20,909
yeah yeah I mean yeah you the type of

2602
01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:23,190
agnostic you are the type of you know

2603
01:50:27,890 --> 01:50:24,810
agnostic certain other people we know

2604
01:50:30,200 --> 01:50:27,900
might be you know but they're trying you

2605
01:50:32,240 --> 01:50:30,210
know and I would venture to say push

2606
01:50:35,089 --> 01:50:32,250
comes to shove I think you probably

2607
01:50:38,450 --> 01:50:35,099
think that there's ETS out there on

2608
01:50:39,919 --> 01:50:38,460
other worlds you know certain of it now

2609
01:50:42,979 --> 01:50:39,929
whether they've come here or not is

2610
01:50:46,399 --> 01:50:42,989
another deal yeah okay well and how

2611
01:50:48,350 --> 01:50:46,409
they've done it physically some other

2612
01:50:50,330 --> 01:50:48,360
way pair of physically men that's a

2613
01:50:52,850 --> 01:50:50,340
whole other fascinating discussion in

2614
01:50:55,520 --> 01:50:52,860
itself so you know there's there's so

2615
01:50:58,459 --> 01:50:55,530
many facets to this subject that it's

2616
01:51:01,129 --> 01:50:58,469
you know trying to pin somebody down on

2617
01:51:03,470 --> 01:51:01,139
something is it is terrible I mean you

2618
01:51:05,300 --> 01:51:03,480
look at the UFO shows so they did I've

2619
01:51:06,979 --> 01:51:05,310
been asked to be on like five of them

2620
01:51:08,959 --> 01:51:06,989
they've come out and he interviewed me

2621
01:51:10,879 --> 01:51:08,969
for about three of them and in every

2622
01:51:13,339 --> 01:51:10,889
single instance and I know gene knows

2623
01:51:16,010 --> 01:51:13,349
about this and Walter does too they want

2624
01:51:18,229 --> 01:51:16,020
you to say something that absolutely is

2625
01:51:20,120 --> 01:51:18,239
a true statement of no equivocation

2626
01:51:21,709 --> 01:51:20,130
otherwise you're not you're not use

2627
01:51:23,990 --> 01:51:21,719
'full for their program because people

2628
01:51:25,700 --> 01:51:24,000
don't want to hear that exactly people

2629
01:51:27,350 --> 01:51:25,710
have gotten to the point where they've

2630
01:51:28,550 --> 01:51:27,360
gotta have an answer and they and and

2631
01:51:30,589 --> 01:51:28,560
the thing is they're looking for other

2632
01:51:32,689 --> 01:51:30,599
people for all these essential answers

2633
01:51:34,640 --> 01:51:32,699
when they go out there yourself I've

2634
01:51:36,740 --> 01:51:34,650
always said regardless of the stories

2635
01:51:37,939 --> 01:51:36,750
I've shared regardless of my positions

2636
01:51:39,979 --> 01:51:37,949
that I've shared in the comments I've

2637
01:51:41,540 --> 01:51:39,989
made I have I not Greg since I've been

2638
01:51:44,060 --> 01:51:41,550
doing you know I started with your show

2639
01:51:46,490 --> 01:51:44,070
I've always told people get out there

2640
01:51:48,350 --> 01:51:46,500
and look yourself to get out there and

2641
01:51:50,240 --> 01:51:48,360
investigate yourself find your own

2642
01:51:52,310 --> 01:51:50,250
answer yeah you are gonna find your own

2643
01:51:54,140 --> 01:51:52,320
answers you're gonna find an answer you

2644
01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:54,150
are going to find something and that's

2645
01:51:58,399 --> 01:51:56,010
why I urge people to do it let me

2646
01:52:02,270 --> 01:51:58,409
rephrase it you know it's you've got a

2647
01:52:04,819 --> 01:52:02,280
far far greater possibility of find

2648
01:52:07,250 --> 01:52:04,829
a true real answer by going out there

2649
01:52:09,140 --> 01:52:07,260
yourself then you ever gonna get reading

2650
01:52:10,939 --> 01:52:09,150
other people's books listening to what

2651
01:52:12,799 --> 01:52:10,949
other people have to say on podcast and

2652
01:52:14,899 --> 01:52:12,809
radio shows but also depends on your

2653
01:52:16,700 --> 01:52:14,909
filter and the way that you investigate

2654
01:52:18,830 --> 01:52:16,710
things and if you even chair have enough

2655
01:52:20,540 --> 01:52:18,840
time to do such a thing sure but like I

2656
01:52:23,029 --> 01:52:20,550
say you know if you hate soccer so much

2657
01:52:25,310 --> 01:52:23,039
stop going to soccer games they say to

2658
01:52:27,410 --> 01:52:25,320
some people you know it just

2659
01:52:29,629 --> 01:52:27,420
if you've reached the point to where you

2660
01:52:31,580 --> 01:52:29,639
just everything sounds like hogwash and

2661
01:52:34,669 --> 01:52:31,590
everything yeah you know at some point

2662
01:52:36,950 --> 01:52:34,679
you know well maybe you want to you know

2663
01:52:38,660 --> 01:52:36,960
listen to podcasts about you know Hemi

2664
01:52:41,089 --> 01:52:38,670
cars or something for a while because

2665
01:52:43,910 --> 01:52:41,099
you know you're just not gonna get that

2666
01:52:46,520 --> 01:52:43,920
smoking gun that you're demanding on any

2667
01:52:47,779 --> 01:52:46,530
of these shows it's not likely and I

2668
01:52:49,160 --> 01:52:47,789
know some people don't want to hear that

2669
01:52:50,870 --> 01:52:49,170
you know because that's what they're

2670
01:52:52,790 --> 01:52:50,880
looking for but that's that's what goes

2671
01:52:54,560 --> 01:52:52,800
back to what I said before is we live in

2672
01:52:56,660 --> 01:52:54,570
a society where you know we want the

2673
01:52:59,450 --> 01:52:56,670
expert we want some other guy who's in a

2674
01:53:00,979 --> 01:52:59,460
position to tell us how it is so that we

2675
01:53:03,910 --> 01:53:00,989
can you know not do the work ourselves

2676
01:53:06,919 --> 01:53:03,920
and just go on with our daily lives and

2677
01:53:08,450 --> 01:53:06,929
you know let the other guy we'll do all

2678
01:53:11,270 --> 01:53:08,460
the research and tell us how it is and

2679
01:53:13,250 --> 01:53:11,280
there we go it's easier kind of like

2680
01:53:15,140 --> 01:53:13,260
fast food somebody else prepares it

2681
01:53:17,740 --> 01:53:15,150
throws in the bag all we got to do is

2682
01:53:21,109 --> 01:53:17,750
eat it is ingest it and that's what

2683
01:53:23,930 --> 01:53:21,119
certainly the field of UFOs and

2684
01:53:26,240 --> 01:53:23,940
extraordinary phenomenon that's the

2685
01:53:28,459 --> 01:53:26,250
experience of way too many people with

2686
01:53:31,160 --> 01:53:28,469
it and the other part of us you know

2687
01:53:34,640 --> 01:53:31,170
it's it's scary to some folks you know

2688
01:53:36,890 --> 01:53:34,650
for various reasons it's just you know

2689
01:53:39,500 --> 01:53:36,900
it's scary to them so it's you know they

2690
01:53:42,589 --> 01:53:39,510
live vicariously through people but I

2691
01:53:44,689 --> 01:53:42,599
say if you want the answers get out

2692
01:53:46,520 --> 01:53:44,699
there and look for them yourself

2693
01:53:48,770 --> 01:53:46,530
go out there and test your own theories

2694
01:53:50,899 --> 01:53:48,780
well that's one way to find out I think

2695
01:53:53,510 --> 01:53:50,909
part of the problem is we've said in the

2696
01:53:56,359 --> 01:53:53,520
past is some people will go to a

2697
01:53:58,399 --> 01:53:56,369
convention or watch a TV show or listen

2698
01:54:01,549 --> 01:53:58,409
to a program they hope that you're the

2699
01:54:04,180 --> 01:54:01,559
expert on UFOs you tell me what they are

2700
01:54:06,919 --> 01:54:04,190
you give me the Reader's Digest version

2701
01:54:09,200 --> 01:54:06,929
we don't want to sit here and read a 400

2702
01:54:11,689 --> 01:54:09,210
page book we don't want to listen to two

2703
01:54:13,370 --> 01:54:11,699
hours of radio where you basically say

2704
01:54:15,020 --> 01:54:13,380
there are lots of theories and these are

2705
01:54:15,500 --> 01:54:15,030
the possibilities we don't know the

2706
01:54:20,089 --> 01:54:15,510
final

2707
01:54:22,580 --> 01:54:20,099
answer well then if that's what they're

2708
01:54:25,220 --> 01:54:22,590
looking for and they want to take final

2709
01:54:28,700 --> 01:54:25,230
answers from somebody else's work then

2710
01:54:30,200 --> 01:54:28,710
in all honesty they shouldn't be some of

2711
01:54:32,270 --> 01:54:30,210
them shouldn't be so critical of those

2712
01:54:34,580 --> 01:54:32,280
who are out there doing and experiencing

2713
01:54:37,009 --> 01:54:34,590
you should say well you know I don't go

2714
01:54:39,830 --> 01:54:37,019
out there and do the stuff myself so you

2715
01:54:43,040 --> 01:54:39,840
know okay this is what I think

2716
01:54:44,540 --> 01:54:43,050
but yeah it's it's I don't know to me

2717
01:54:47,120 --> 01:54:44,550
it's people have to start being more

2718
01:54:48,200 --> 01:54:47,130
honest with themselves you know

2719
01:54:51,160 --> 01:54:48,210
particularly where these things are

2720
01:54:53,419 --> 01:54:51,170
concerned you know either

2721
01:54:56,000 --> 01:54:53,429
either you're going to accept what other

2722
01:54:59,270 --> 01:54:56,010
people say or you're not and if you're

2723
01:55:01,220 --> 01:54:59,280
not then get out there to find something

2724
01:55:02,479 --> 01:55:01,230
to base your own opinion on and you know

2725
01:55:04,609 --> 01:55:02,489
if you've gone out there and you've

2726
01:55:06,770 --> 01:55:04,619
given it an honest try and you really

2727
01:55:09,080 --> 01:55:06,780
come back and say I experienced none of

2728
01:55:12,020 --> 01:55:09,090
this then you know I got a lot more

2729
01:55:14,270 --> 01:55:12,030
respect for that guy then the guy who's

2730
01:55:16,490 --> 01:55:14,280
just the nerd you know sitting in the

2731
01:55:18,490 --> 01:55:16,500
forum room we won't identify himself and

2732
01:55:21,259 --> 01:55:18,500
you know reads this book reads that book

2733
01:55:23,810 --> 01:55:21,269
hates this guy loves that guy just and

2734
01:55:26,330 --> 01:55:23,820
it's mostly based on personality which

2735
01:55:28,759 --> 01:55:26,340
just cracks me up to no end you know or

2736
01:55:30,529 --> 01:55:28,769
prejudice or whatever but I don't have

2737
01:55:32,660 --> 01:55:30,539
any respect for that guy who has this

2738
01:55:35,930 --> 01:55:32,670
smug opinion of what's wife and what's

2739
01:55:38,450 --> 01:55:35,940
real what the hell is he or she done to

2740
01:55:40,790 --> 01:55:38,460
get out there and base that smug opinion

2741
01:55:44,120 --> 01:55:40,800
on but the guy who you know guy or gal

2742
01:55:46,490 --> 01:55:44,130
who gives it the honest try you know for

2743
01:55:48,379 --> 01:55:46,500
you know a period of time you know or

2744
01:55:50,240 --> 01:55:48,389
enough times and they still come to the

2745
01:55:52,970 --> 01:55:50,250
conclusion that it's all hogwash I got

2746
01:55:54,529 --> 01:55:52,980
more respect for that then and that has

2747
01:55:56,180 --> 01:55:54,539
to be I have to consider that in my

2748
01:55:58,700 --> 01:55:56,190
experience then it becomes an issue of

2749
01:56:00,649 --> 01:55:58,710
gosh why did I have this experience and

2750
01:56:02,629 --> 01:56:00,659
this guy didn't well that's interesting

2751
01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:02,639
you know it's not gonna make me think

2752
01:56:11,089 --> 01:56:07,530
mine is any less real by the way but you

2753
01:56:13,459 --> 01:56:11,099
know I some people are scared to not

2754
01:56:17,450 --> 01:56:13,469
feel like they've got a handle on things

2755
01:56:20,060 --> 01:56:17,460
and so it is much more comfortable to

2756
01:56:23,089 --> 01:56:20,070
just go ahead and grab a handle than to

2757
01:56:24,709 --> 01:56:23,099
make one or or find the you know the

2758
01:56:26,779 --> 01:56:24,719
best one they grab the near

2759
01:56:28,879 --> 01:56:26,789
handle because they need that they need

2760
01:56:31,759 --> 01:56:28,889
that comfort it's why some people love

2761
01:56:32,779 --> 01:56:31,769
living in cities you know and others you

2762
01:56:34,790 --> 01:56:32,789
know live out in the middle of nowhere

2763
01:56:36,049 --> 01:56:34,800
though you know some people who live in

2764
01:56:37,759 --> 01:56:36,059
cities go there because they just got to

2765
01:56:39,379 --> 01:56:37,769
be around the other people and you know

2766
01:56:41,000 --> 01:56:39,389
feel a part of that community they got

2767
01:56:42,649 --> 01:56:41,010
to be whether it's acceptance or

2768
01:56:43,609 --> 01:56:42,659
whatever whereas you know the guy who

2769
01:56:47,689 --> 01:56:43,619
lives out in the middle of nowhere

2770
01:56:49,489 --> 01:56:47,699
doesn't need that so much no it's it all

2771
01:56:52,910 --> 01:56:49,499
comes down to what I'm saying it comes

2772
01:56:54,500 --> 01:56:52,920
down to the individual ultimately comes

2773
01:56:56,810 --> 01:56:54,510
down to the individual

2774
01:56:59,629 --> 01:56:56,820
Walter Bosley where do we find more the

2775
01:57:03,799 --> 01:56:59,639
things that you've done or plan to do as

2776
01:57:10,219 --> 01:57:03,809
I said I you know I wrote a book on the

2777
01:57:14,120 --> 01:57:10,229
Disneyland and latitude 33 and I people

2778
01:57:15,560 --> 01:57:14,130
want to check or I guess I should

2779
01:57:17,450 --> 01:57:15,570
probably provide them with an email

2780
01:57:19,669 --> 01:57:17,460
because the the place it's sold is at

2781
01:57:22,040 --> 01:57:19,679
another guy's website and I know I don't

2782
01:57:24,830 --> 01:57:22,050
like to insult a host or make them hanky

2783
01:57:26,479 --> 01:57:24,840
by saying another guy's website but

2784
01:57:27,709 --> 01:57:26,489
that's where the book is for sale do you

2785
01:57:31,850 --> 01:57:27,719
want me to say it or would you prefer I

2786
01:57:35,359 --> 01:57:31,860
you know no no that's cool radio shows

2787
01:57:37,839 --> 01:57:35,369
out there we are reluctant to admit that

2788
01:57:41,209 --> 01:57:37,849
but just tell where to find it my book

2789
01:57:43,790 --> 01:57:41,219
latitude 33 key to the kingdom is in a

2790
01:57:47,209 --> 01:57:43,800
PDF version you can download for sale at

2791
01:57:48,739 --> 01:57:47,219
Kevin Smith show com you can find it

2792
01:57:52,870 --> 01:57:48,749
there on his page you scroll down there

2793
01:57:56,120 --> 01:57:52,880
and you can get it there and also I'm

2794
01:57:58,100 --> 01:57:56,130
going to be I'm in the middle of that

2795
01:58:00,169 --> 01:57:58,110
final editorial phase on the book I've

2796
01:58:03,589 --> 01:58:00,179
written with Richard Spence the author

2797
01:58:06,319 --> 01:58:03,599
of secret agent 666 tentatively titled

2798
01:58:09,560 --> 01:58:06,329
Empire of the wheel right now that

2799
01:58:11,239 --> 01:58:09,570
should be probably coming out not for a

2800
01:58:15,020 --> 01:58:11,249
while yet not till later this year or

2801
01:58:17,270 --> 01:58:15,030
early next year and that is a book about

2802
01:58:20,770 --> 01:58:17,280
what appears to be serial murder and

2803
01:58:24,979 --> 01:58:20,780
with an occult connection possibly and

2804
01:58:26,629 --> 01:58:24,989
real real interesting stuff I'm also the

2805
01:58:28,100 --> 01:58:26,639
writer of a show that's opening in Las

2806
01:58:30,830 --> 01:58:28,110
Vegas on October 3rd at the Las Vegas

2807
01:58:32,870 --> 01:58:30,840
Hilton called triumph I have my media

2808
01:58:34,729 --> 01:58:32,880
life where I write movies and shows and

2809
01:58:36,399 --> 01:58:34,739
things like that and my novels secure

2810
01:58:38,719 --> 01:58:36,409
the Amazon Queen is in development

2811
01:58:41,870 --> 01:58:38,729
with an independent company in Hollywood

2812
01:58:44,689 --> 01:58:41,880
so between the the movie stuff and the

2813
01:58:46,759 --> 01:58:44,699
strange phenomena there's you know take

2814
01:58:50,629 --> 01:58:46,769
your pick Greg Bishop where do we find

2815
01:58:52,489 --> 01:58:50,639
more of the stuff you do mainly on radio

2816
01:58:55,339 --> 01:58:52,499
Mysterio so right now I haven't written

2817
01:58:57,649 --> 01:58:55,349
for UFO mystic calm in a while right

2818
01:59:00,589 --> 01:58:57,659
here Mysterio so calm

2819
01:59:04,910 --> 01:59:00,599
look up all the interviews I've done and

2820
01:59:07,100 --> 01:59:04,920
a lot of my writing is on is also on the

2821
01:59:10,160 --> 01:59:07,110
site for my old Magazine excluded middle

2822
01:59:13,580 --> 01:59:10,170
comm that's one word from the excluded

2823
01:59:16,250 --> 01:59:13,590
middle and from who knows where we have

2824
01:59:17,839 --> 01:59:16,260
Greg Bishop and our co-host this week

2825
01:59:20,509 --> 01:59:17,849
and of course we like to thank Walter

2826
01:59:22,580 --> 01:59:20,519
Bosley for putting up with a another two

2827
01:59:25,390 --> 01:59:22,590
hours of abuse thanks for joining us on

2828
01:59:36,430 --> 01:59:25,400
the parents Thank You Jane